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OLYMPIA - Your child’s school would be required to teach comprehensive sex-ed to students as young as kindergarteners under a bill approved Wednesday in the state Senate.

Republican Sen. Mike Padden says the Superintendent of Public Instruction ran a poll asking about the legislation - 58 percent of respondents didn’t want it.

“I think this legislature ought to spend a little more time listening to the people. And not only this but other issues that we dealt with last year, we saw the legislature last November go one way, and the people went a different way,” said Padden.

Padden says Republicans don’t want to force a controversial statewide program down the throats of school districts and…

“Parents, remember them? Parent, they are somewhat left out of all of this,” said Padden.

Democrats are behind the bill that passed along party lines – not one Republican voted for it.

The measure now moves to the House of Representatives.

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Desert Dweller

Well if you thought it was just "inappropriate touching" that was being mandated you did not read the first line of this article. see below:

"Your child’s school would be required to teach comprehensive sex-ed to students as young as kindergarteners" [thumbdown]

Cheburashka

But this article is pretty much a hatchet job written by someone who is only providing the perspective of a Conservative Republican senator. Have you read the bill itself? It does not use the term sex-ed. I had a link to it, but someone deleted it. It's pretty easy to find.

Cheburashka

Here you go. "Requiring comprehensive sexual health education with an affirmative consent curriculum in all public schools by the 2022-23 school year in accordance with the recommendations of the health education workgroup."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=2184&Year=2019&Initiative=false

Desert Dweller

I want to see the definition of "Age appropriate" and even then I have no faith in bureaucrats influencing the morals of my grandchildren.

Desert Dweller

Ease up on the deleting guys. For Pete's sake are you all third graders? I thought there was only 1 or 2

opinionscrossroad

LOL... I thought you did it!! I didn't delete anything.. I know the loyalist deleted some of mine and they admitted to it..

Cheburashka

I am going to leave this one up, but your insistence on labeling people cheapens the level of discourse. I have a handle that I use on this site. Calling me "the loyalist" is bullying. I don't even know where you got that term. It refers to someone who supports the British colonization of the United States. it is certainly not a term that I would use to describe myself, and it is clearly derogatory.

opinionscrossroad

Cheburashka -- you just don't get it.. It might be clear you do not get some people's points of view.. You might not even understand why they label another person or reference them in a particular way.. BUT referencing someone in some way DOES NOT constitute a violation of terms of use..

The terms of use are pretty straight forward.. You cannot call someone, "you dumb N" or "you stupid B" or use Profanity, someone cannot say "When I find that Cheburashka I am going to show them sex education"... NO YOU CANNOT do that..

Has Anyone done anything close to that?? The answer is NO.. We refer to you as we see you because that is what you have portrayed yourself as.. In this discussion you say our assumptions are incorrect, however, we got those assumptions from your past statements. So you are either lying now to deflect who you are OR you were lying then to bolster your argument.. Either way you are lying..

Furthermore, you thinking it is cute or funny to delete posts because you do not like them (for any reason) not only is childish but sets a dangerous precedence of censorship. This came to fruition as you saw last night someone deleted all your posts.. If you don't want to be censored with all your posts it might be a suggestion to not attempt to censors others.. Again, if you don't like the heat of a political debate then you shouldn't jump into the fire-pit..

Cheburashka

I think you are the one who just doesn't get it. Is it really that hard to simply refer to me by my handle, instead of having to call me a monkey, or a loyalist, or some other label that I would not choose to use to describe myself? I am a human being with different ideas than yours. Treat me with respect, and your posts will stay up. Refer to me by insulting labels, and they won't.

OnlyOneVoice

Fortunately or un-fortunately labeling is a fact in life.

I have been labeled "Mexican" by Anglo Americans, a "$#@!÷%" by Mexicans because I don't speak Spanish, and was issued a speeding ticket years ago by an African-American officer as "white" (I hope I labeled everyone in a politically correct category).

I'm not proud about it or crying because I've been called better and a lot worse.

Some days I feel like a senior and other days as spry as a child. Some men can "say" they are a woman and use a womans restroom (vice versa) and they want to be labeled a woman but scientifically they are male, and I am not a senior, although I feel like it.

OnlyOneVoice

BTW, l don't like name calling , unless someone is calling me cute, but, call me what you like. ;)

Desert Dweller

I delete nothing but will argue on the merits. My skin is very thick and my mind is very clear.

Cheburashka

You also have the luxury of being in the majority on this particular discussion board. This makes you less vulnerable to bullying tactics. I'm just trying to keep the discussion about the issues at hand, instead of about me as an individual. I hope that you agree that that's a good goal.

opinionscrossroad

It is funny how when a Loyalist doesn't like your comment any longer they "report" the comment. Not that the post breaks any rules but IFIBER has it set up that all you have to do to remove a posting is for anyone to push the "report" button and it will be removed automatically..

Cheburashka

You called me a monkey. That violates the terms of use.

opinionscrossroad

Number 1 Yes I did call you a monkey because that was your picture before you changed it so how would that violate ANYTHING??

Number 2 Nowhere does the terms of use say anything that you are saying is a violation. I am very careful of who I violate.

Number 3 The terms of use only states "racism", "sexism" or any other "ism" -- I did not use profanity, I did not threaten, and I surely did not LIE.. What term of use are you trying say was violated again??

Number 4 If you cannot handle the heat in a discussion when it comes to politics, maybe you should not jump into the fire-pit..

Deleting people's posts because you do not like what they say (even if you take it personally) is extremely childish!!!

Cheburashka

I have made it very clear that I don't tolerate name-calling because it violates the term of use. Your explanation above makes no sense at all. I had a picture of a stuffed animal as my profile picture. That does not justify calling me "the monkey." That is a bullying tactic, and it lessens the quality of discourse. I don't know who has been deleting all of my posts, but I have reported it to ifiber and I imagine whoever it is will have their account deleted. I am not going to quibble about this one. If you want your posts to stay up, refer to me by my handle. Not by derisive nicknames, misspelled versions of my handle, or other demeaning bullying tactics. That's pretty simple, isn't it?

Cheburashka

To clarify, the conservative posters here often complain about the loss of common sense, the idea that there are universal American values, and that families need to teach their children better manners. In other words, "Be Nice." If you were a child, telling your mom about your day at school, and you said "I talked to the monkey today," she'd probably tell you that you weren't being nice. If you said "But mom--he has a picture of a monkey on his backpack," she would still tell you that you weren't being nice. So yes--you should try to be nice.

opinionscrossroad

It is a pretty arrogant thing to make the statement "I have made it clear I will not tolerate it".. What makes you feel you are in a position of authority?? Just because IFIBER installs a "report" button that deletes anyone's comments?? You do not like some of our posts so you delete them under your personal interpretation and obviously someone doesn't like your posts and deleted them..

if IFIBER truly cares they will take the report button away and make a "filter" with specific words to flag.. Because what you are doing is censorship and extremely arrogant.. Do you want everyone who does not agree or even like you to start deleting every post you make and keep you completely censored?? Because technically there is no "rule" against that..

opinionscrossroad

Last but not least.. If we use your standard of definition for what is "not nice" then after reading your posts and running it through my interpretation of what is "naughty and nice".. MOST of your posts are "not nice" either because you are calling people names also in almost all of your posts.. Interpretation does not mean absolution..

I hope since you complained to IFIBER they take away the report button from YOU!!

Cheburashka

If the editors at ifiber think that I should tolerate your name calling, they can let me know that. Alternatively, they can change how the report button works. Are you still maintaining that it was acceptable for you to call me "the monkey?" Was that "being nice"?Also, in case you hadn't noticed, someone DID delete a huge portion of my posts because they did not agree with the ideas in them. That is something that I would never do, and the person who perpetrated this cowardly act has not yet owned up to their actions or explained why they did it.

opinionscrossroad

I can't stop laughing at you.. OMG

YES .. let me try to use words that are simplified..

When you post a PROFILE PICTURE with a MONKEY on it.. #1 you cannot be offended when people call you "THE MONKEY" because that is what you reference yourself as..

And #2 even if I called you "The Alien" because that is what I want to call you.. As long as it's not basically immoral based on socially unacceptable words,.. There is NO RULE against it.. Therefore, you deleting posts is (and let's face it you are the biggest post deleter) would make your account be in jeopardy of being closed if whoever deleted your posts are in jeopardy as you referenced..

Because hey let's just all delete everyone's posts

Cheburashka

If you find posts where I have called people names, please let me know. I will delete them myself. I try very hard to stick to the matters at hand instead of labeling people are calling and derisive nicknames. Your excuses for calling me names are tiresome. If I were to call another poster "the weasel" and claimed that that was because they had a picture of a rockchuck in their profile, would that be acceptable? Obviously not, and I would not do it. if you feel the need to delete my posts because you are offended by my disagreeing with you, please go right ahead. I kind of suspected it was you who deleted all of my posts in the first place.

opinionscrossroad

#1 You put names into your posts that people could find offensive to be referenced by.

#2 Nobody needs an "excuse" to reference someone as they see that person.

#3 If I posted my profile as a Dog then yes you would have the right to call me "the dog".

#4 Even if you did call me a Dog I wouldn't care.

#5 You have still not said specifically "labeling" is against the sites rules (maybe your rules but not the sites).

#6 Thank you for granting anyone on the site permission to delete your posts if we disagree with you.. Please do not complain when people accept your offer.

#7 While I think it hilarious that people are deleting your posts, only a fool would think it was me since you and I have debated over many topics.

#8 It has only been YOU who has been deleting posts and you even admit to it, so why do you care if people delete your posts, if you delete other people's posts?? Isn't that fair??

Cheburashka

It has only been me deleting posts? Did you miss the part where about 30 of mine got deleted?

opinionscrossroad

Your posts only got deleted after you deleted several other's posts and then bragged about it.. Again, it wasn't me but I do find it funny!!

Eastside

And you have put people down that are not educated,potrayed what Famers want, and berating someone over a misspelling!! You are not someone I would not want around my grand children! You do want criminals to vote and the state to raise my children, that violates my terms!!

opinionscrossroad

With that said though, I enjoy letting people put their foot in their mouth, so I won't delete a post because it is truly funny to me..

Desert Dweller

I feel so sorry for the people who can't afford to send their kids to private school. Leaving the government schools in charge of educating our children will slowly erode the family structure replacing it with a mommy state if we are not vigilant, and maintain the fundamental principals of our beliefs out of the control of the government.

Desert Dweller

Parents should not delegate the raising of their children to the state. The parent is responsible for teaching their children what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. The state is charged with education as in reading writing math history. It is the parents place to instill their faith and beliefs, along with what they consider moral and honorable.

The family unit should not be invaded by the state with directives they may not agree with.

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Desert Dweller

Leave my family out of it please!!! Instill the state values in your home not mine.

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Desert Dweller

Problem is like all government things it will morph into teaching about "Mary has 2 mommies" lets go listen to the "Drag Queens read stories", then it becomes counseling on abortion without advising the parent.

You trust the government far too much. The parents may not be the best but they are the parents.

Desert Dweller

The slippery slope seems to be your forte'.

Cheburashka

Why yes, I am an excellent skier!!

Desert Dweller

Deflection, ah yes.

Desert Dweller

For the love of Pete. Leave the little children alone, let them be kids, the nasty stuff comes soon enough.

Cheburashka

And sometimes it comes far too soon, and without the parents knowing. I would much rather have my kids know what is appropriate and what is inappropriate then to have them suffer through appropriate behavior from an adult who is interested in "the nasty stuff."

Desert Dweller

too much education not enough common sense, they are 5 and 6 years old they do not need to be confused

Cheburashka

Nothing confusing about explaining the difference between good and bad touching.

OnlyOneVoice

Parents need to be parents.

Politicians need to quit thinking about sex and ways to molest the whole country!

Cheburashka

The problem is that parents do not NEED to be parents. They OUGHT to be parents, but in many cases they give up that responsibility to others. School bus drivers, scoutmasters, camp counselors, church leaders...it doesn't matter who. We often let other people take care of the responsibilities they used to be part of a parent's life. Teaching children about their bodies, and their rights to control their own bodies is not molestation.

opinionscrossroad

Did this government employee actually just say, "parents do not NEED to be parents"??

I am in shock!!

opinionscrossroad

Oh you want me to call someone out .. ok no problem..

I find it appalling that a Local School District "Educator" is #1 making arguments that not only imply but pretty much spell out that said "Educator" feel that the student's parents are incompetent to raise their own children and #2 You actually have the audacity to say that, " parents do not NEED to be parents. They OUGHT to be parents"..

No if you are going to be a parent then you in fact do NEED to be a parent.. In Fact, it the the LAW that you are the parent to your children and you are not only responsible for the raising of your child but you are liable for your child as the PARENT..

Again, I find it appalling that you are an "educator" of ANY children much less even around them with your attitude of superiority and the obvious contempt towards the parents of students that you interact with..

opinionscrossroad

OH MY GOSH!! Do you even read what you post?? You cannot calling "trolling" or a "false assumption" or "seldom consider facts" when someone (like me) calls you out on what you say.. What you said is literally in black and white with your name attached to it..

It is obvious you do not know the law and it seems are incapable of comprehending it even if you are told it. The law is clear.. YOU as a legal parent are responsible for your children therefore you NEED to be a parent..If you don't you could face fines and possibly even jail time for failing to be a parent.. It is really that clear..

And the "opt out" option might be available at the moment but that could easily be taken away.. Case in point.. Can I "opt out" of vaccinating my child now?? No, they took that away. Can I "opt out" of common core math?? Nope.. Can I "opt out" of you being anywhere near my children as a "supposed educator"?? nope

So again all the points you bring up #1 are not the point of where the school should limit it's focus and #2 most of your points are wrong, false, and borderline on being pure lies..

Cheburashka

I do not work for a local school district. I do not teach children. You are making a lot of assumptions about me when you get personal, and they destroy the relevance of your arguments. Please try to stick to the facts instead of trying to call me out personally.

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opinionscrossroad

You Stated, "Comprehensive sex education specify certain types of teaching that are appropriate for a given age level" --- My question is: According to WHOM?? You?? An "expert"?? The government expert?? The Government "expert" who we all make fun of because 80% of them are very peculiar in the way they run a Bureaucracy and have no fear of removal??

With you being a Government Employee, it is very evident that you always take the Government's side and this topic is no different. I do find it, not only pretty arrogant, but scary too that the Government wants to keep telling it's citizens what to do and how to do it more and more each and every day. The worst and funniest part is how nobody really seems to care as long as those Government checks keeps cashing..

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Cheburashka

Also, where's the by-line? There's no balance in this piece.

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