Moses Lake School District

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MOSES LAKE - Moses Lake school board President Elliot Goodrich suggested during Thursday’s meeting a pay cut for all district staff as the district focuses on online learning during the school closure.

“I know that this will be controversial but I want to say it anyway is I have a bit of a problem, not a bit, I have a real problem with the fact that we’ve got millions of people in this country that are losing their job. We have probably millions of business owners that have had to shut their doors and don’t know how they’re going to pay their rent or meet their obligations,” Goodrich said. “We’re in a financial calamity, the likes of which nobody quite understands yet and is not defined. And I find it to be troublesome, and I say this as somebody whose wife is a teacher, that our entire staff continues to be paid and employed at the same level they were when things were going normally.”

The district moved to online learning after Gov. Jay Inslee ordered all schools to close until at least April 24 due to COVID-19. All district employees continue to be paid during the closure.

“I want to re-emphasize that while work looks different, there are still a lot of people working very hard,” Superintendent Josh Meek stated. “Work looks differently today than it did two weeks ago.”

Remainder of Goodrich’s statement:

“I find it a bit, I guess, morally repugnant that the public sector seems to be insulated from the pain that is being put on the private sector in an event like this where everybody’s suffering out there in the private sector.

I know there’s nothing that I can do about it at the moment. This isn't something I say lightly or expect us to take action on at the moment but in light of the situation and the circumstances and the suffering that is going on in our community and our state and our country, as well as the forthcoming cuts to expenditures and budgets that will have to happen as a result of what’s going on right now in the next couple fiscal years, I think we should consider doing a reduction in pay across the board for all of our staff. My suggestion would be maybe 20 percent, so in other words, one day of pay a week.

And I know people are not putting in the same hours that they were before. Yes, we’re teaching online. Yes, we’re providing meals and doing some things, but it is fundamentally not the same situation as when we have 8,600 kids inside our buildings all day long.

I guess what I’m saying is that I know how people are suffering out here in the private sector and I think it’s only fair our public sector also give a little bit to do their part to help.”

School board member Bryce McPartland, and Goodrich agreed, that the district would likely need to reach out to the state Legislature, and deal with collective bargaining agreement, to address any pay cuts.

“I do notice within even my own friend groups, you know, that people who have sort of a guaranteed income check week-to-week or month-to-month have a different feeling about what their responsibilities are in terms of hunkering down and quarantining versus those people who either have already lost their job or have certainly been concerned about it,” McPartland said.

(89) comments

Jackson5

We know a teacher in this district. Right now she’s posting quite often on Facebook , Instagram, etc about all the home projects , hiking, and baking she’s doing ...and it’s not on weekends. It’s a bad look all the way around.

JohnQPublic

I wonder if there's anything in the union contract about furloughing employees, especially those in support roles like teachers aids or secretaries.

EducatedAmerican

As we all know, there are good educators and bad. This will never change. There are also courses that can be taught as on-line and those that can not. I hope that the educators realize that if they infact can teach a course on-line well enough to meet the requirements of passing that course, then why would a student want to attend a Brick and Mortor school again. Teachers just proved that on-line teaching can be done. Some classes can not be done on-line. All types of shop classes, music, Chemistry and Biology to some extent. Most homes don't have all the equipment for the experiments, or dead frogs and sharks, microscopes and chemicals. If on-line is so good, then the School District should give money back to the student so the student can get an education from one of the many K-12 Education on-line companies. Just something to think about in all this.

JakeSnake

There is now a change.org petition for Goodrich to resign. The people of Moses Lake care for the future of their children. They are weary of the constant attacks on our school system from the person who the entrusted to nurture it. Goodrich must go.

https://www.change.org/p/moses-lake-school-district-elliott-goodrich-should-resign-from-the-moses-lake-school-board

JohnQPublic

Goodrich can say what he wants, but he will also have to abide by the union-negotiated contract to figure out how to cut pay. I'm sure he's already working on it.

opinionscrossroad

LMAO... Someone (jason probably) has deleted all my comments.. I have thought about re-entering them (yeah I save them all because of the deleting trolls) but It's late Sunday and i've more than made my point.. Government employees telling me how hard they work without really supporting it just doesn't impress me.

To the deleter. I want to personally thank you because you re-itinerated my point that you are so insecure in the topic you want to make it go away instead before people can think about it. You don’t like what someone feels then maybe you should figure out how to communicate your points better instead of saying I “DESERVE” this and I am “WORKING”.. But again thanks for making me laugh..

OnlyOneVoice

I am a teacher.

This is sad. But honest.

We chose professions. We can go elsewhere if we must, or don't like what we are called to do.

Unortunately we have Trump as our president, Inslee as our governor, and Goodrich in our school.

They are our leaders, We must deal with all 3.

Voice your opinion. Do your best. We may feel like unappreciated slaves but we aren't the first and won't be the last.

opinionscrossroad

@onlyonevoice.. I really hope that NOBODY feels unappreciated in any job. Jobs are forever changing as are the requirements and abilities. The point of this conversation is if something happens to your job and it changes, should you be paid the same?? Nobody wants a pay cut and everyone wants a pay raise but if the circumstances justify it then why the hardcore stance against it. Most studies have pointed out workers would gladly take less pay if they were able to work from home.. Now someone (Goodrich) says hey this is a lot more flexible and better for the employees and times are difficult maybe the employees should consider less pay while we go through this.

Now I am sure Goodrich and even myself KNOW that this will NEVER happen but the question is still --- SHOULD IT??

darling

Debating is intelligent. I think everyone is stressed.

Cheburashka

Hey Ifiber--thanks for reinstating some of the deleting comments. It was getting ridiculous.

darling

amen

opinionscrossroad

Funny people who don’t like the truth want to delete the comments they do not agree or cannot argue the point against. So I’ll repost it..

I find it astonishing that public employees, (in this case school personnel) feel that they are superior to the rest of the TAXPAYERS who are being told to stay home with NO PAY..

This is where I would like to apply the "Red Face Test" where if you can HONESTLY stand in front of me and say you DESERVE (because you are working at 100% of what your were hired for) then sure keep your pay.. HOWEVER, most of us know that when you have no students in front of you, cannot get materials and lessons to your students, and have no oversight.. VERY FEW teachers and school personnel are working at that 100%.. So why do you feel entitled to 100% your state pay when everyone else has to "deal with this situation" and are not getting their paychecks??

As far as Mr. Jason Koziol who seems to want to keep making his just SHY of 100 THOUSAND paycheck justifying why he feels just because he's a "Teacher" it is his "RIGHT" to be paid whether he does the job he was hired for or NOT.. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Taxpayers hired you to TEACH our children in a classroom.. ARE YOU DOING THAT?? NO!!! Are the children receiving with your "supposed" online program receiving right now the same quality education as they were before?? The answer is NO!!

Should you be paid 100% of your wage just because you are a state employee when you are not performing 100% of your job.. The answer to most LOGICAL people is NO!!

SuperMan

Your charge that public employees "feel they are superior" is completely unsubstantiated. It shocking that you speak your opinions so strongly, even though they are fabricated by your own prejudices behind public servants. In no way is the fact that public teachers are still being paid for working means they feel superior. Ridiculous. The systems set in place allow them to continue doing their job in the confidence that they are doing so with a high level of integrity.

You whole entire argument is based off the your baseless opinion that teachers are not working, when by most standards, they are doing everything in their power to keep kids engaged in learning. You are trying to set this up as a private verses public scenario, when you cannot compare the two, because the public sector is not subject to MARKET FORCES. The tax income necessary for them to continue working will not stop, and they are providing the service.

If you know teachers or school officials who are in your ear telling you that they are sitting at home doing nothing to use the full potential of education to provide engaging educational experiences, then those people need a rude awakening about the capabilities of technology. This claim that they are somehow how "earning their pay" baseless. We give teachers an extremely long leach in respect to the integrity of their work ethics, you can't just throw this out the window because circumstances have changed. It is just as equally possible for a lazy teachers to make copies, assign homework, and do absolutely nothing in their classroom if they so choose. If you take away that trust in this scenario you might as well do so in the classroom as well. Stop attacking the integrity of the job being done, and get behind the idea that in these hard times are children need to be educated, and teachers are doing the very best they can to provide that service.

ANY PERSON WHO KEEPS INTEGRITY IN THE WORK ETHIC trusts teachers that THEY CAN DO THE JOB AND ARE. Not all people automatically think, "how can I use this to be lazy and still get paid." Teachers enter the profession to advance the lives and minds of children, not because they are trying to "work the public system," as your worldview seems to suggest.

opinionscrossroad

There are no "systems" in place for ANY of the public school districts right now to offer the same level of teaching and instruction. Students are NOT being taught 100% of the lessons they would if they were attending school.. NOW with that said I 100% believe that it is possible for the same and EVEN BETTER education to be given online BUT YOU ARE NOT SET UP FOR IT at this time.. It takes MONTHS and even YEARS to build a program to deal with online instruction.. So you aren't doing it.. WHY should you be paid 100% of your wages if you aren't doing 100% of the job?? Name 1 job that you would accept this from if you PERSONALLY were paying the bill?? Why should we accept it from Taxpayer paid workers??

Superman as far as you saying I base my opinion that teachers are not working.. Them doing everything in their power to keep kids engaged.. I'm sorry that is just an excuse but in the end .... It does not mean they are doing the job that I JOE TAXPAYER hired them to do.. I think a 20% pay cut if a lot more generous than I would personally suggest but Goodrich is a politician.. I think if you can't show me the work then you should be furloughed like everyone else..

SuperMan

The systems are in place. You have extremely talented, continually educated teacher who have received all the training necessary to implement online education. This is a transition that has been taking place since google and other education platforms launched their interfaces many years ago. I have Galen numerous masters level courses online and there is no magic wand or higher training necessary. The professors simply deliver the curriculum, assign the work, and are then available for help or feedback when required. You speak of it as if it’s some complex science that’s so hard to learn- WRONG, teachers have been doing this already for YEARS! The “systems” are the administrations that are facilitating the educational support thought departments and schools which allow teacher to take on such an endeavour, because the plain and simple truth is, WE DO HAVE THE CAPABILITY AND THE HIMAN CAPITAL TO DO SO. As much as you want to act like this is not the case, it is.

Your only argument to my well formed, testimonial based, ethically backed, using assumption based on “the trust of being a teacher in today’s world” argument is that it is “an excuse.” PLEASE. Get out of here.

Just because Joe taxpayer doesn’t understand and have faith in the capabilities of modern technology and the potential for extremely capable teachers to deliver their curriculum at a high standard, you don’t get to stand here and tell me that’s not what tax dollars are for. If that’s what you’re entire argument is based off of, plain and simply, it’s terrible. Your entire argument is based of of prejudice, nihilism towards education, and incorrect beliefs, and the only reason any of you principales seem to carry an ounce of truth is because you tout “fiscal responsibly” that is 100% unsubstantiated in ethics, morals, and public administration rationale.

This is why people who are red line capitalists should not be allowed into public service. They have No belief at all the there who people actually work to make a difference, and hold themselves to a high standard regardless of the financial Incentive behind it. Your worldview doesn’t belong in the public sector and is kindly dismissed by people who actually know how teachers work. Give it a rest and support them.

opinionscrossroad

Superman... The more you talk the more my point is proven.. I know you think your online "master's" courses you have taken have made you feel just a little "better" than "those other people" but as I have said before.. THEY DON"T IMPRESS ME because they are simple to do.. You read the chapter, your read the case study, you run some analytical data through programs that make you pull your hair out, then your write a paper about how this worked and that didn't and you quote every stupid little thing you used and every person known to man that might have had the same idea you used to form your rational.. Whoopie dooo.. You know why?? BECAUSE 21 to 23 year olds are doing it JUST FINE!!!!!!!!

As far as me saying it was just an "excuse".. I HOLD that argument.. WHY you ask?? Because you stated, "teachers are doing the best that they can".. I don't CARE if they are doing the best they can.. Just like I don't care when my contractor tells me they are doing the best that they can.. I fire them and hire someone whose "best" is to the quality that I hired them for..

Now I am sure there is a FEW teachers out there trying to figure out a way to give online learning so students are getting 100%.. But that system is NOT in place.. Only someone absolutely arrogant would even DARE to say they can make an online learning program for their entire class in a matter of days or weeks.. Yeah Google Classroom.. whoopie.. What I see are questions that can't be answered because teachers are NOT available instantly.. I see google searches for answers because teachers are using lessons from lesson plans online.. (You don't think the students find these??) I see some students unable to access the internet because their parents lost their jobs and had to cut bills they could not afford..

As far as your ignorant comment about "Red line capitalists" not allowed into the public service?? Who in god's name do you think you work for?? You don't work for free.. In Fact most teachers are pulling in 65,000 to 85,000 a year to work 192 days a year.. That is 442 dollars a DAY PER TEACHER.. It is obvious that you do not think public service employees or institutions should be work under any sort of financial constraint or guidelines.. So yeah Bub I think if you are making 442 dollars a day to "teach" kids online (I want to see how you are teaching a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th,graders online) and I ask you to go down to 354 dollars a day.. I want to see how that will REALLY hurt you when those restaurant workers are getting NOTHING.. Talk about self serving..

Jason Koziol

Prove they aren’t working? Just because they aren’t in a classroom doesn’t mean they aren’t working. You have proof or you just talking and making allegations because “YOU” think your correct and “YOU” know!!! Until you prove your rambling it’s just that rambling and honestly doesn’t have merit or fact. As a Tax Payer I don’t see them not doing their jobs at all and honestly see them going above and beyond!!! So, let’s try this bring facts not thoughts or feelings to the big kids table before you speak again. Thank you from the REAL TAX PAYERS OF GRANT COUNTY!!!

opinionscrossroad

@ jason Kozial.... Prove they aren't "working"?? You are kidding me right?? I mean i'm not sure whether to laugh at that DUMB post or to stop shaking my head at the absurdity.. THEY ARE NOT WORKING at the job they were hired to do at the standards they were hired to do it at.. .. Besides I really think it's YOUR job to prove to everyone that a Teacher can "teach" when they have no materials for 6 weeks to provide online instruction.. Prove that the students are getting 6 hours of learning materials each days.. Prove that your wife is available to her students on a minutes notice if a student has a question about the problems they are doing.. You prove each and every teacher in the state is putting in 40 hours worth of work each week.. Prove me wrong..

As far you bragging to using your real name.. Hey GREAT for you.. Personally I think it's dumb but yeah I looked you up.. Sorry about your Dad in 2010 but I really take your hard core comments about teacher pay when it is your WIFE who is making almost 100K this year from Moses Lake School district.. So your self serving comments about keeping your money in your pocket pretty well fall on Deaf Ears.. Give me a break Dude..

SuperMan

No, I do not think I am better than anyone because I took some of my masters classes online rather than in a classroom. Really? You're going to attack me? I get my confidence out of the way that I serve others, not by my educational background. Really good try, though.

Yes, masters classes are extremely easy for those who can read and write well. Professors give a base curriculum, assign engaging work, then are available for feedback and questions. These are the foundations of instruction, and they can be provided through remote delivery.

You really don't believe that it's effective because you can come up with minuscule challenges such as modifying curriculum and limited immediate feedback? As if those issues cannot be solved with extra time, effort, and attentiveness? Well, they can, and they are. Your argument is based, again, off of your assumption that teachers are not capable. I am not "arrogant" for thinking so. Stop labeling ideas as such- you sound ridiculous.

Yes, "red line capitalists" do not belong in public administration, because they come up with idiotic logic such as "since the private market is suffering, we must also force that suffering onto the public sector." With the rationale that "others aren't getting paid, so we must withhold pay from everyone else." Again, terrible operational and economic reasoning. Anyone who understands the historical role of the public sector understands that they are complementary to each other. When one is doing well, the other backs off, when the private market fails, the government mediates the slow down with public money. Again, this is nothing new. It is economically sound to keep as many industries as we can going. This is what it means to be a public administrator, a worldview which you have likely never even consider, and won't because you have built your worldview worshipping cashflows and balance sheets. This is how the public sector functions. Time to come to terms with that reality, bub.

opinionscrossroad

@superman… so let’s break down your argument piece by piece and AGAIN show you the reality.. OK??

#1 you wanted to impress people including me with your master’s courses when you said, “I have Galen numerous master level courses online”.. My response to your bragging, “Doesn’t impress me”.

#2 The point you think you are making that you can teach students with online based instructions.. I ABSOLUTELY agree with.. In Fact I agree with it so much I think the entire academic learning institution should adopt a PURE ONLINE learning using computer models, online video explanations, and AI analytics to identify where an online student is struggling then ONLINE instructors would be available 24/7 via text chat, video conferencing, screen sharing technology, and the good old phone call in.. I personally believe the 150 year old “school house” institution is LONNNGG past its prime..

#3 With that said though, NO School District is set up (except the online school K12) to provide this level of schooling.. What you and other teachers are doing is what is commonly referred to as, “teaching by the seat of your pants”.. If you and other teachers want to band together and actually start providing this level of support then great.

#4 Right now NONE of that is happening on a large scale.. Most teachers gave out “packets” for the students to study and work with their out of work parents. Most teachers are checking email.. Great!! But checking email an hour or two a day does not bring forth the level of work expected from the position.

#5 To bring questions and examples:

• Are the schools and teachers requiring teachers to provide the same amount of learning as they would if they would if the student was in a classroom setting? Answer NO.

• Are the teachers available for students immediate questions during normal work hours?? Answer NO.

• Are their set times that teachers are available for 1 on 1 questions?? Answer NO

• Are teachers sitting at a desk during their full normal “shift” working?? Answer NO..

• Has either the teachers organizations set up online learning objectives on a district / county / state level?? Answer NO..

• Are students getting the same quality of education that they would be setting if a set curriculum was established with guidelines?? Answer NO.

• Are teachers sitting home online waiting for students to message them with questions?? Answer NO

• Are teachers running errands and doing personal business during normal working hours?? Answer YES

• Should teachers and other government employees who are not doing `100% of the work they were hired for be paid the same now as when they were operating at 100% workload.. ANSWER HECK NO..

opinionscrossroad

Oh another case in point… ONLINE college level instructors that require Master’s degrees where the curriculum is set out with the textbooks and have test banks and online tests and instructions.. Yeah they get paid between $1500 to $3000 for quarter (3 months) to teach that course online.. So are you telling me Moses Lake School Districts teachers have come up with a better curriculum than the colleges??

Jason Koziol

@ opinion You can internet troll me all you want you still won’t change my mind at all and yes I use my name because I’m man enough to use it and not scared to stand behind my words I type on here. Yes, my wife is a hard working still teacher that is still putting in the hours at home making sure her students are getting help and educated either thru correspondence, video chats, or live stream classroom!! For you to say she doesn’t put in 40 hours is plain stupid because it doesn’t matter on the platform she is teaching she is still doing that and that is teaching. You saying she isn’t has zero merit because their is teachers working prior to this doing online distance learning to kids that need specialized learning or something of that nature. So, for you to say they aren’t doing their job is idiotic and plain ignorant. As for you internet trolling me I hope your not stocking me either because that’s kind of creepy to me you must be a creepy person.

JakeSnake

Way to repost your same old blather, Mr. Goodrich. The citizenry of Moses Lake is tired of you running our schools into the ground. The people chose to build a new school and you destroyed that. You forced children into overcrowded classrooms and tried to guarantee they would suffer for years like that. You have looked this community in the face and chosen to spit in it.

Now you pretend to represent the "common man" and say teachers should suffer when they are working just as hard as before. Indeed, teachers are lucky that they are able to the re-tool for online learning as fast as they can. They are thankful they chose a profession where ingenuity and creativity can overcome a natural disaster. I've many friends that are out of work and it's not going to help them or me anymore to stick it to teachers. Perhaps you should become a teacher yourself? Nooo... You want to sink the whole system to satisfy you disdain for this community and it's children. Go away, Goodrich.

Commenter117

Ok so by your logic let’s only pay police officers the time they are actually arresting someone or giving them a ticket. And let’s only pay doctors when they actually have a patient. And let’s only pay firefighters when they are actually fighting fires. And let’s only pay paramedics when they are on a call. Public sector services are not businesses. We are not here for profit. We provide a service. Teachers are still working. We are still engaged in helping students learn and it is in some cases even more work trying to figure out how to help students without being right there with them. Many of us are also still communicating with students over the weekend because most are like me with 127 different students to contact and work with. The only reason people feel they can tell teachers what to do and not police, doctors, lawyers etc is because you all went to school at some point and you think that makes you knowledgeable enough to criticize like you have a clue. You don’t.

People like you are a big reason why there is a local, state, and national teacher shortage. In my building alone we have 20% of teachers teaching outside their endorsed area because there were no candidates to fill positions.

Teachers defy LOGIC everyday because they continue to work for the kids even under inept leadership and a few (thankfully a minority) critics like you.

opinionscrossroad

Well by your logic if you hire a contractor or some other "private" business and the say well I will work when I get around to it but you WILL pay me my full wages and benefits even if you do not AGREE with how I am doing my job.. And when I tell you that I am doing it "well enough" even if you don't think this is what you hired me for.. I will tell you that I "am providing a service" so be happy and pay me..

In the end, YOU are NOT performing the job that you were hired for.. So why should you be paid for the negotiated wages?? We all have had to adjust while dealing with this nonsense so why don't YOU and every other State Employee?? Are you better than the rest of us??

Commenter117

You obviously do not understand how this all works and what we are doing and are just here to argue. You would never survive as a teacher, and I'm glad that my kids all had good ones that, like me, put in more time, effort and energy than will ever be seen by the public eye. We are more than earning our paychecks, and your obvious ignorance to that is sad.

opinionscrossroad

@commenter117... We all understand how "this all works" and that is the issue.. School got shut down.. School personnel think they should be paid regardless of circumstances and think they should be making 40 to 50 dollars an hour whether they are doing what they were hired for or not..

As far you being upset at me and saying i'd never survive being a teacher.. Why because I have high expectations?? That if I don't think you are doing the job you were hired for then you should not be paid the negotiated wage?? You saying you are "more than earning" your paychecks is the same thing a thief tells the person they are robbing.. It's called Culpability and you just are justifying something that isn't really justifiable.. You are taking money while NOT doing the job you were hired to do.. It's that simple folks!!

Commenter117

So if you really want to put everyone on the same level (which is what socialism aims to do) then I would expect you would also fight as hard for the opposite scenario right? When the private sector has huge gains and massive profits all us public sector folks get a chunk of that pie too right? So when the CEO’s of corporations get their million dollar bonuses and such I’m gonna get a check too? No? Hmm.

And just to be clear my comment regarding you not knowing how it works is how teaching works. You have no clue what we do. When we do it. And how much we do it. I saw in one of your other posts you claiming that we are not ready to answer student questions when they have them or have specific times for them to meet with us online. Yes. We do. I have even been answering student questions and concerns all weekend. Have used zoom multiple times to meet with my classes to see how they are doing. I am doing more than my contract asks for as are the vast majority of my colleagues. Stop trying to act like you can even remotely understand what teachers do and do not do. You have no clue.

JakeSnake

They are still working, Mr. Goodrich (or whatever pretend name you use.) They are working to keep kids engaged. Working to feed them. Working in new and different ways to educate them.

We know your only goal is to destroy the community schools. It has been from the start. Recall Goodrich!

opinionscrossroad

I'm not Goodrich nor Jeff nor Amber.. But I do agree that if people are NOT working for the job they were hired for then their pay should NOT be the same either.. Nobody is going to convince me that a teacher "working from home" can provide the same quality of education UNLESS there was already an approved curriculum for that teacher and their students.. IN THIS CASE that did NOT happen nor anywhere close to have happened. In fact teachers posting on this forum have ADMITTED that they are working hard to piece something together but piecing together a program AFTER the fact isn't really the same now is it?? So AGAIN why should we be paying Taxpayer funded workers when they are not doing the job that they were hired to do?? If you were hired to do an online course and education (like K12 online school) then by all means continue providing the online education.. If you were hired to teach children in a classroom setting and you are not doing that.. THEN TAKE your PAYCUT just like the rest of us..

JakeSnake

Oops... Getting under the skin of Mr. Goodrich, I see. I'm hearing a lot of people saying that he had to change screen names to try and fool people.

Time to recall that guy before he does any more damage to our children's future.

opinionscrossroad

@jake the Snake... Do you really think Goodrich is the only person out there that thinks public employees should not the only parties immune to the hurt this containment is putting on everyone?? NOT ONE public employee has been furloughed, laid off, or had their pay affected during this time.. But on the flip side.. Restaurant workers are unemployed, construction workers unemployed, clothing store employees unemployed, and the list goes on and on.. So many people unemployed in order to get hold of the unemployment office you have a MONTH wait!! But Government workers paid for by Taxpayers.. NOTHING.. They are immune from the misery and in fact get full pay and full benefits paid for while told to "work from home" or come to the office and "work" even though the offices are closed and all private services are not allowed to work.. So why again are we paying full wages when we are not getting full services as taxpayers???

opinionscrossroad

I find it astonishing that public employees, (in this case school personnel) feel that they are superior to the rest of the TAXPAYERS who are being told to stay home with NO PAY..

This is where I would like to apply the "Red Face Test" where if you can HONESTLY stand in front of me and say you DESERVE (because you are working at 100% of what your were hired for) then sure keep your pay.. HOWEVER, most of us know that when you have no students in front of you, cannot get materials and lessons to your students, and have no oversight.. VERY FEW teachers and school personnel are working at that 100%.. So why do you feel entitled to 100% your state pay when everyone else has to "deal with this situation" and are not getting their paychecks??

As far as Mr. Jason Koziol who seems to want to keep making his just SHY of 100 THOUSAND paycheck justifying why he feels just because he's a "Teacher" it is his "RIGHT" to be paid whether he does the job he was hired for or NOT.. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Taxpayers hired you to TEACH our children in a classroom.. ARE YOU DOING THAT?? NO!!! Are the children receiving with your "supposed" online program receiving right now the same quality education as they were before?? The answer is NO!! Should you be paid 100% of your wage just because you are a state employee when you are not performing 100% of your job.. The answer to most LOGICAL people is NO!!

Donlee93

^this guy sucks

Durgis

Why would somebody that belittles educators aspire to be a shaker and mover on the school board? It is a weird, destructive mindset that encourages more suffering in this worldwide pandemic that is killing thousands (and most likely millions befre it retreats). There is nothing glamouris about being a state employee and more specifically a teacher. You for once in your small minded existence do the right thing and remove yourself from the school board before you do more damage. This is just an opinion from a retired state emplyee. (37+ years direct care with the crminally insane) Maybe the SARS-CoV-2 will permently silence your misguided verbal toxins permently. Just an opinion. 🙃

Old Bulldog

Sometimes I wonder if Mr. Goodrich ever thinks before he speaks. Perhaps we should also reimburse those dedicated teachers who have corrected papers and creating lesson plans, over and above their normal work hours. Most of our teachers have been doing this for years. Have a clue Elliot!

JakeSnake

JohnQPublic is a shill for Goodrich, or is Goodrich himself. Like good ole Donny Trump, calling into to radio shows playing pretend. What a loon!

JohnQPublic

Here's big government protecting itself while the private sector gets to suffer. I'm pleased that Goodrich is looking to save money during these financially trying times.

MaleBovineFeces

Day after Day the local communitty leaders are substandard in their positions, school district, city council, water bureau, dog park club and on and on.

JohnQPublic

It is morally repugnant that the public sector is insulated from Inslee's decisions to close businesses. If you disagree, you have no morals.

SuperMan

Just because you say something isn’t moral, does not mean it isn’t moral.

Then, to throw absolute judgment onto others who disagree, saying they have no morals, is shocking. Just because people don’t agree that the public sector must also suffer in this?All of the operational, economic, legal, and systemic factors make it so that it does not. The school district doesn’t lose income, education is guaranteed by the government, teachers are still working the same amount in a brand new environment, no one is losing money (this is not the free market), luckily we have board members who represent the community rather than a balance sheet, money in the pockets of teachers means more money circulating locally, kids keep their mind working, the public sector serves as the ballon that’s keeps things afloat during the slowdowns, the public sector functions almost exactly the opposite, in principal, to the private sector, and in fact this is how our country has survived tough times since its inception!

The only logic that Goodrich provides is- since private sector suffer, so must the public. The only logic in that is shear jealousy and envy that people chose a profession that is in effected by economic factors.

That’s the value added benefit of PUBLIC SERVICE. You don’t make as much money in the public sector, but you have more job security. This is nothing new.

It’s hilarious how some “fiscally minded conservative” can say something is immoral with no logical backing and people stand by it as undeniable truth, but not surprising considering this political climate none the less.

JohnQPublic

Yes it does, what I deem is moral is decided by me.

SuperMan

Unfortunately that’s not how debate works. You actually have to back up your decision with reasoning, which you haven’t produced a singe shred of. What you deem has proven to be absolutely worthless because you choose to provide any backing.

JohnQPublic

I'm not here to debate you. I didn't choose to engage you. What I did choose to do is write my opinion. Write your opinion. I won't comment on it because I don't care what it is, just like you shouldn't care what my opinion is. You can't change it.

JohnQPublic

Teachers in this district won't work late, only work during the school year, and demand benefits not otherwise available in the private sector. They need to share in the economic suffering of all. We all have to make sacrifices for the greater good.

Cheburashka

Your generalizations are tiresome. Teachers in this district work weekends, attend special trainings during the summer, work evenings and late afternoons, and make less than many others with similar training. Making them "suffer" just means an expensive hiring process to replace them, and generally little or no savings.

JohnQPublic

Your trolling is tiresome. Have an opinion about the article, not an opinion about opinions. No opinion is right or wrong, it's just an opinion.

Your wrong on all fronts about teachers, based on my opinion and experiences with teachers. Do you get that? Your opinion about my experiences is wrong.

You people, all of you, crack me up that you think I have any sway in anything political and strive to change my mind - like I'm going to make a decision that affects school teachers. It's funny how you get wound up about what I think. Our collective opinions have almost no value. Just $0.02.

Cheburashka

You stated your observations. I stated mine. What's your beef? I'd say you're the one who's trolling. Making blanket generalizations about teachers? Two can play at that game. And as a teacher, I think I have far more reason to weigh in than you do. You just seem to want to complain about these overall impressions you have about teachers. I have no idea where they are coming from. What makes you an expert on teachers in this area?

Cheburashka

John Q. You can keep deleting my comments. I'll just keep making the same points. You appear to be an outside observer assessing all teachers by your limited interactions with some of them. I, on the other hand, am a teacher and thus I probably know a lot more about the situation than you do. Every generalization that you make about teachers being lazy and avoiding work during the crisis is countered by similar generalizations made by those of us you are far more familiar with the situation than you are. You maintain that this is just your opinion against my opinion, but you have no authority behind your opinion aside from the fact that you seem to have a vendetta against teachers. So I will say again, that the teachers I know are working during their spring break, building classroom shells that they otherwise would not have to have built, learning new technologies that they otherwise would not have to have learned, and doing everything that they can to make sure that their students are educated. They are putting in extra time so that they can do their jobs effectively. That's not an opinion. That's an observation based on more than 20 teachers who I'm in contact with.

JohnQPublic

You know, I don't read most of what you write because I don't care. I don't need your permission to delete your posts, but I thank you for your consent. There isn't a, "Does the russian puppet approve of this deletion?" radio button to push when deleting (I just checked), sort of like a captcha. But, since you've pointed out that you're a teacher, I now know who is partially responsible for the low academic performance of the school district. 80% of the school districts in this state are better than ML. With that, I can't see that the teachers deserve any special treatment.

SuperMan

No, they don’t. That’s the benefit of working in the public sector during a slow down.

This is action would be using elected power to force unnecessary, useless, suffering, rotted in a desire to bring others into suffering felt by the private sector. That’s and extremely strange idea of morality.

Also, you obviously know nothing about the work ethic and values of teachers in this district. Your generalizations about teachers only prove that you are extremely detached from what goes on in schools and classrooms throughout the district.

Jason Koziol

Elliot how are you doing?? Your comments are just like his..🤔

Jason Koziol

I’m not hiding behind a screen name so for your comments to have validity tells us who you are?? I think you are Goodrich or one of his buddies.. So, before you comment again don’t hide behind a screen name and man or woman up and speak your mind and show me and this community the real you!!! I’m not scared to do it.

50+ yrs recycledm+g+gram

This is not appropriate to cut their salaries. I have been in Modes Lake 50+ yrs Had children, grandchildren and great grandchildren graduate. Worked for mlsd off and on over period of those 50 yrs. Had foster children go to school in district. When the volcano went off we drew in employment. If the staff working at home still are working they still have jobs so can’t get unemployment. Their bills, mortgages , groceries, expenses etc won’t be cut 20%. I don’t know of many staff that got to walk off the job on time at night in all the years I worked for mass. They also call and conference with parents, chaperone field trips feed students that do not always get to eat regularly, buy extra supplies. Never have I seen a staff member or teacher tell a student who needs attention, is hurt,or crying that they have to go home because their hours are up. Never have we gone to school after hours and been told that the staff or teachers wouldn’t talk to us because their hrs for day were up. Why do you think the levies are hard to pass? Because we’ve do not want to pay the full amount for our staff or teachers? Then we go to the schools and there are new offices,furniture, sculptures and landscaping. But the staff and teachers who interact with our children need there salaries cut. Now they have new lesson plans, computers and a whole new way to nurture them. My children,grandchildren and great grandchildren are contributing adults to their communities and country and pay their taxes. They became that way with staff, teachers and personnel and parents and grand parents who fought for our country, paid taxes and worked and farmed this city and county and state by staff and teachers already under paid. Now you want to cut their pay? How msnybofbthesevprople I just named and you would stay in your jobs if they were told their pay was going to be cut. Are you willing to take up the slack and add their one day a week to your schedule. They are not just standing around those hrs. They are doing paper work, scheduling your agenda and running errands for you. Are you willing to do these chores. Oh yes and maybe have your pay cut “just” 20%. Just is a pretty big word used this way!

JakeSnake

The Moses Lake School District is in the dumps thanks to the leadership Goodrich has provided. The community voted for a badly needed second high school and Goodrich screwed that up. Now he thinks public employees should suffer because of a bad economy, but when the economy was "the best it had ever been" (according to our President) and the stock market at it's highest point and unemployment at it's lowest... Goodrich was STILL were looking for ways to cut the budget for kids.

Goodrich is toxic for the community and kids. He needs to go so the MLSD can recover from his educational malpractice. I urge a recall of this horrible leader ASAP.

Baseman

Take back Josh Meek's big bonus pay. Give these lazy people a shovel. Tell them to start building the new High School us tax payers voted for.

HARDWORKINGCITIZEN

Hard working teachers should be rewarded and lazy ones should be laid off. It's as simple as that and in the meantime why don't some of you go out of your way and thank someone in the medical field who is sacrificing more than most right now.

Cheburashka

Best thank you for those in the medical field? STAY HOME!! Don't risk their lives because you don't trust the government. As for the rest of the post, when you invent the "lazy-ometer" then maybe this will work, but I think as in all professions you end up with different levels of commitment. Hard to say what the answer is, but it's not that the problem isn't recognized.

HARDWORKINGCITIZEN

So you're questioning the sacrifice of our nurses? I don't remember saying anything about government trust and you only end up with different levels of commitment (lazy) when the unions protect those to chose their commitment.

Cheburashka

No. I am not questioning the sacrifice of nurses. How did you get that from what I wrote? I'm explaining that people in Eastern Washington who think they can ignore the "stay at home" protocol are endangering the lives of healthcare professionals. I don't know what "those to chose their commitment" means.

Cheburashka

Nice deletion there. I guess you realized that you completely misread my post, and wanted to eliminate the evidence. I'll repeat, though, that if you want to show respect for healthcare workers, adhering to the current virus protocols is WAY more important than saying thanks.

HARDWORKINGCITIZEN

I've been offline while I still have to go to work for a living and haven't complained once. I'm not sure what you're referring to about a deletion if that was directed at me so I'll explain my commitment comment. When you work for a union and get past your probation period then you can pretty much ride the gravy train without any repercussions. Why don't we dissolve unions then see if we're having this comment. when someone can be fired at any time due to commitment, performance, attendance or conduct then they tend to work twice as hard then they would if protected by a union. As far as your sincere thanks, why did you end it with a question mark? Protocols or not, I'd bet you'd want them manipulated to your advantage if you were to contract COVID-19.

Cheburashka

Unions do indeed have their faults, but without them, businesses and schools would be able to (and would) take advantage of workers. And no, if I got infected with Covid-19, I wouldn't want the rules changed.

SuperMan

Goodrich’s logic- the private sector is suffering, so we should use our power to make sure that no one else misses out on the suffering. Let’s make it so everyone suffers equally.

No consideration for

1) Teachers, by their own testimonies, are working the same hours with completely new methods. Extremely difficult.

2) These are public funds. There’s a reason you are an elected official and not a CEO. There’s no such thing as the “business of education.” You are running a non-profit conglomerate that doesn’t rely on shareholders who expect profits. Stop managing public funds as if this is the case.

3) There is absolutely no operational necessity for you to cut funds. Expenses have not increased, and the exact same service, administering education, is still be provided.

For someone who prides himself on understanding economics and operational practices, this lacks any logical and ethical basis. Not surprised.

Taco Man

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Taco Man

I believe if you want to get people on board with you Mr Goodrich, try by starting off saying, that you are giving up 20% of your income..... Their are teachers, that their spouses have already lost their jobs, making it so they have already gave up half their income. It is the teachers that are pushing everyone to support the Local community by buying from them, which is keeping a lot of people employed... take that 20 percent from them and you take it from the community..... Mr Goodrich you need to look at the WHOLE PICTURE and get off your soapbox.....People don't care about how you personally feel....

JohnQPublic

Thankfully, there is a fiscally responsible member of the school board. I think Goodrich is spot on. Any employee, including those of the MLSD, who now work less than full time due to this forced shutdown should collect unemployment like the rest of the private sector. If you're salaried and working longer than normal, welcome to the world of the professional, it's only temporary.

Teachers are some of the greediest union employees I've ever witnessed. Their ideal solution to every problem is to increase their pay. And while you're at it, they should all undergo random drug screenings starting with a mandatory 100% check on all school district employees. After all, shouldn't we protect children and ensure those adults around them are not under the influence of drugs?

Cheburashka

Does this cut both ways? Teachers I know are currently working MORE than full time. They're building online classes, learning new technologies, shifting lesson plans, all during what was supposed to be their Spring Break. I understand that you have no idea what teachers do. But Goodrich? It's his JOB to know what teachers do. Sounds like he's really earning his pay. 🙄

Jason Koziol

I’m not hiding behind a screen name at all and I think your comment has zero merit or reality!! I think his lame ass idea is just that a lame ass idea. What you are saying is ridiculous and I don’t hide behind a fake screen name.. I think you should really reevaluate your comments before you send them. I think this “JohnQPublic” is either Goodrich himself or one of his buddies!! You have zero ethics regardless!!!

JohnQPublic

It’s time to hunker down in order to win this fight. In these uncertain times, I would encourage everyone to turn to that which brings them hope, whatever it is. This is temporary. Schools will reopen. We all need to make sacrifices.

Cheburashka

Teachers are making sacrifices. They are spending additional time developing online curriculum during their scheduled vacation time. Why do you have such a hard-on for teachers? It's kinda sick. 🤔

JohnQPublic

You're so bent on arguing anything I write, you missed that most of those sentences I wrote came from the article above. You're funny.

Vikings77

School Board President Goodrich has long called for our public school district to be run like any other business. I previously told him during the public comment portion of a Board meeting...the MLSD is not in the fidget spinner business. Education. That's the business of the MLSD.

Mr. Goodrich calls for a twenty percent pay cut for our school employees. Would he be willing to pay 20% more for the irrigation water and electricity he needs to grow his crops? We all know his answer - no he would not take that option.

Over a year ago I challenged the Board Cabinet and School Board members to go into a K-2 classroom once a week and read to our students for 30 minutes. To my knowledge none of those individuals ever showed up to read to our children. I know I have never seen any of them at my grandson's elementary school in the last fourteen months when I volunteered each Friday in his class.

Perhaps Mr. Goodrich needs to rethink this 20% pay cut he so emphatically demanded get added to the public record? When I listened to him on the school district website - his tone sounded like he was bragging with this 20% pay cut proposal. We need Board members who will make time to help teach our students. Add up the number of extra words those K-2 students would hear each week, if the Board and Cabinet level Administrators were reading 30 minutes a week. The kids would love it. Hopefully in the future this can become a reality.

I think President Goodrich needs to publically retract his recommendation of a twenty percent pay cut for MLSD employees. It needs to happen now and he should apologize to all the MLSD employees for his reckless and divisive idea.

Living here

Teachers should be paid the same. But any district employee who is not working should not be. Like the rest of us. Their jobs aren’t essential right now. But that would mean a lot more of the office staff. Not the school staff. And we all know who you will cut first.

Cheburashka

A man who can afford to do his job for no pay at all suggesting that those who work for their living can economize. Teachers still have to pay their mortgages, and it's not like they were living high on the hog in the first place.

JohnQPublic

The state you love so much published a list of ways you can get help during this shutdown...ready? Go ask the people you owe money to for leniency. That was their initial plan before the stimulus, before expanded unemployment, before Inslee half-heartedly decided what was essential and not.

Cheburashka

Wow. Hard-hearted Washington conservatives were shut down by the Trump socialist bailout? I think you got your wires crossed.aomewhere.

JohnQPublic

Your wires are broken. I don't need Trump's socialist bailout (which is my tax money the government robbed out of my wallet), nor do I want it. However, I'm going to spend it on pot and hoarding toilet paper so no one else can have it. To get you back on topic, neither do the teachers need it since they are getting their full pay. You're shut down.

Cheburashka

I agree. The teachers don't need it. But by your argument, it was their tax money to begin with, right?

JohnQPublic

Their salaries came from taxes. By circular logic, no, it's not their money. However, since they performed a service for an agreed upon rate, it was money earned. So, yeah, give us all back our tax money.

Cheburashka

Ok. I'll give mine back when the postal workers, police officers, firefighters, licensing clerks, etc. give theirs back.

JohnQPublic

Troll, are you still here? I don't appreciate your hateful, divisive comments. Clearly you've take a lesson from the Trump playbook.

Corvilla

Teachers make plenty of dough. Most of you make around $100000 a year for part time work. Nobody is crying for you

Concerned Employee of MLSD

Mr. Goodrich, I do believe that you need to consider your statements wisely and not rush to quick judgement on who is doing what kind of level of work based on your limited observation and experience. I, for one, have spent the last 10 days working my hiney off from 7 AM to well after 7 PM trying to come up with “specially designed instruction” lessons for my students’s needs. I’ve had to learn a whole new service delivery model, redesign materials, create new plans on the fly... AND try to meet the basic yet essential emotional and physical concerns and needs of our parents and students... while helping them settle and engage. Not to mention the keeping up with essential paperwork and meetings online! Those of us who care about what we do, and we are MANY, have put in above and beyond the call of duty to make online education happen. The thought that somehow you think that we are not earning our pay, with all that we have given already, and will continue to give because we care about our kids, is offensive and appalling. Your words are deflating and discouraging to the team that is trying their very best to make the impossible happen.

Sagacious Lu

I taught online for years and quickly learned that unless you were on top of the content and created custom content you would have about 20 percent of the students take the easy way out of plagiarizing, etc. Running meaningful discussions online is an art as well, and today's students expect you to respond 24/7 like some chat-bot.

JP

OK.....why a "liberal" idea rather than just an idea?

Sagacious Lu

Lousy idea - first, teaching properly long-distance can require more prep than in-classroom, if you are going to do it right. Second, that will suck more money out of the local economy.

LilHoss

Great liberal idea. Start with the two quoted in the article first!

LilHoss

Chicken$hit idea. Better?

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