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Caitrin Jackson

WENATCHEE - On Friday, a local nurse felt compelled to express herself on social media after what she describes as the “hardest six months of her 12-year nursing career.” Caitrin Jackson is an intensive care unit nurse at Central Washington Hospital in Wenatchee. Jackson says being a health care professional in the Wenatchee Valley has been exceptionally difficult due to the recent uptick in patients with coronavirus.

“We have more patients admitted with COVID than we did this spring. No, we are not overrun because there are still beds available. But many of us are overwhelmed, because this work is overwhelming. It comes in waves. Some days are better than others. This has been the hardest six months of my 12-year nursing career, and I don’t see it easing up anytime soon,” she said.

Jackson says she’s proud of the medical team at Central Washington Hospital, who shows up at all hours of the day or night and does the work. However, Jackson and Jessica Esparza, another ICU nurse who hails from Wenatchee, say the conspiracy that "COVID is a hoax" “needs to stop.”

“This is not like the flu. I have been a nurse long enough to know that. Caitrin and many of the ICU nurses, doctors, nursing assistants, techs, EVS, and other members of the healthcare team give their all caring for these patients on the daily. To read that we as medical providers are killing our patients, or faking COVID tests and that we should use “natural remedies” makes me mad. Oh, and the latest conspiracy theory that I have seen, that we are implanting devices when we complete tests and stealing DNA. No, we are not doing that. These patients are beyond natural remedies. A hot soup, a vinegar gargle or some essential oils are not going to fix an oxygen saturation of 15%. These patients need care constantly. Just like Caitrin, I am glad that I’m so close to two weeks off from this madness. I hope to return to no COVID cases but sadly I don’t think that will be the case,” Esparza wrote.

“The amount of work and resources that goes into caring for these people is tremendous. That’s what they are, people-with families and friends who love them. They are not just a statistic that gets to be used to suit whatever agenda you believe/support,” Jackson stated. “Wear a mask, wash your hands, and even if you don’t, we will still take care of you.”

Both nurses say they’re excited to be nearing their scheduled two week vacations after a rough six months.

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Desert Dweller

Get ready,

the people with no means of support are going to survive somehow.

opinionscrossroad

I have watched this comment section go all weekend all the while just shaking my head.. I am at the point of accepting defeat.. Common Sense has lost to panic and listening to leaders have no plan other than run their mouths about NOTHING..

This story was about hospital workers who are having a "run" on their industry. Yeah that is the industry -- when you get sick you go to places that have the equipment, medication, and expertise to assist your body in recovering from whatever ailment.

Masks Masks Masks.. I've beaten a dead horse about how masks will NOT protect you from this Virus.. But people who are insecure and don't know what to do will grasp at anything to make themselves feel they attempting to be relevant. I knew a man whose cancer diagnosis gave him 2 months -- this man traveled to Mexico and paid thousands of dollars for an "experimental treatment" to at least give him hope he was doing something.. Masks to me for MOST of us are no different.. Masks do not protect you from a Virus.. They might slow it down but I have said it before -- It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion or full speed -- It doesn't change the outcome and neither will masks..

What has been made clear is EVERYONE's responses to this Virus will have everlasting effects on the this countries economy and the world's economy for decades to come. They are predicting 20 to 30% of small businesses will go bankrupt and with 50% of the workforce employed by small businesses, this will send shockwaves as we have seen the Unemployment system cannot handle or pay for this volume .. Consumer spending is down and is continuing to decline as people do not go out and are starting to focus on long term financial security..

The trend has been more and more socialist protections such as no evictions if you cannot pay rent and no cancelling of services if you cannot pay for them. As the companies and individuals who own these things cannot afford to do this forever you will see bankrupties increase of those companies and somehow the Government will either be forced to step in or will force themselves to take over so the money losing will be absorbed by the government. In healthy economies that works, in weak and economies that are in recessions or depressions .. the government has no excess money to absorb these losses..

We are now 5 months into this Virus and are looking at spending 4 TRILLION in stimulus spending plus the experts say we will need another 2 or more in winter or early spring plus the decline in consumer spending and taxes as people lose their jobs..

I see the response to this Virus being so poorly communicated and panic measures that have no hope of helping pushing this economy into a Severe recession with rapid inflation (as the government tries to print more and more money for stimulus checks) if not even worse..

Are wearing Masks to make yourself feel better going to help any as you lose your house??

justbecool

👏🏻

Cheburashka

You've had cogent and well documented responses to each of the above points, but you act as if they were never there. I don't see the point in responding anymore.

opinionscrossroad

Nor do I.. It is obvious that a lot of you think the Virus is the biggest problem since the creation of this earth.. You are running around scared to death of something that affects so very few percentage wise. You are willing to give up freedoms to make yourselves feel like you are going to be saved.. Most of you are probably going to lose your jobs as we transition to an online economy and online service platforms..

As we go into a recession, probably coupled with high inflation and high unemployment, it will be interesting to me to watch the same people who supported all these measures remember what I said and what your reactions will be then.

As I have said before, my ONLY prayer is that we use this time to go to a 100% online platform and put all those Government workers whose jobs can be replaced by a computer.. (which is almost all of them).. You don't need teachers, you don't need school districts, you don't need community colleges, you don't need a licensing place to take your picture and mail you a piece of plastic, you don't need a place to switch vehicle registrations.. This can and SHOULD all be done ONLINE..

justbecool

Whoa, we don’t need teachers? In person, personal connection with students isn’t more effective that learning online? You lost me there, I’m getting off that boat.

JohnQPublic

Oooookay . . . please excuse me for putting words in your mouth, but my take on your OPINION, not fact, is that we should buckle up for over a million dead in the US, and wearing a mask to protect employees, coworkers and fellow customers isn't going to help with the damage to our economy. The masks are just going to slow down the inevitable. Businesses and jobs are going to be lost, significantly.

Then, your opinion is that while the resulting unemployment is crippling the economy, we should also eliminate as many public jobs as possible. This is our "only prayer" because . . . the resulting efficiency savings will reduce our tax load? Whose tax load? The unemployed? Landlords with unemployed tenants? The lefty corporations who provide online tech? Oh, I know. Retired soil owners living off socialist government payments. Farmer logic. Basin Batbleep.

Look, we lefties pay attention to how AI and robotics are going to effect employment. The long-term analysis is that efficiency savings will need to be transferred to consumers in the form of a Universal Basic Income. So, unless you'd like to see that, be aware of how the leftist technocracy is playing you.

opinionscrossroad

I think a proper online education system is just as, if not more, effective than an in person environment.. Videos showing instructions, online algorithms testing student's retention, non-biased instructions, and if absolutely need be a in person online "chat" to figure out why the student is struggling..

"Moby-max" is such a platform.. They charge $7.99 a month per student.. I THINK the local education system charges a LOT more than that per month..

So yes I do believe the Education system could be fully moved to Online with the right videos, the right algorithms, the right material, and with the right platform.. And personally, I believe students can do better with it because it is like an individual program and pace for your student instead of the constant complaint from teachers. Which is; "I don't have time for each and every one of the students like i'd like to".

opinionscrossroad

@Trumpus.. #1 you have to absolute WEIRDEST way of putting together a topic.. It is very hard to follow along..

But anyway I am not sure what response you wanted.. The idea that millions of people are going to die may or may not become reality. But the idea that you can do much about it other than hiding in a cave is probably slim to none.. EVEN doctors and nurses and health care who are taking EVERY precaution including REAL masks (n95 or even respirators), face shields, gloves, gowns, washing hands, air purification units, and whatever not .. ARE still getting infected.. So you think a cloth mask is going to protect you??

You sure seem to have something against farmers though.. You don't like subsidized food then cancel the subsidizes and allow the cost of food to rise accordingly.. You seem to forget one basic economic. You can only lose money for so long before you can't do it that way anymore (unless you are a Democrat and just print more money)..

As far as a Universal Basic income.. I don't care.. But no matter what amount you put as the "income" it will never be enough because people are always going to whine it isn't enough (like food stamps, low income housing, welfare checks, unemployment) and want more and more and more until they can have a "standard of living income"..

justbecool

But how would that work? Imagine a first grader with zero attention span in his own room with his own toys everywhere. You really think those ADD kids or any kid for that matter will pay attention if they weren’t forced to? What if those kids have parents that work? They stay home by themselves and are trusted to do their work online by themselves? What about the kids who need the meal provided by schools each day? The results were catastrophic from this past year in regards to kids doing their work from home. Not to mention the social aspect of it all. The kids need to grow in that aspect, to learn how to cope in a working environment and deal with adversity around them, and build relationships with others, and all else that comes from growing up. Boxing them in with little human interaction is not the way to go.

Cheburashka

"I think a proper online education system is just as, if not more, effective than an in person environment." Oh. So what you "think" is more important than what others have experienced firsthand, right? I've taken online classes, taught online hybrid classes, and taught live classes. I "KNOW" that online instruction is less effective, efficient, and engaging than face-to-face. Aaaaaand another response just flies off into the vacuum between your ears.

justbecool

I think we should be advocating for more jobs, not fewer. The proposition that human beings should lose out on jobs to computers is dangerous.

opinionscrossroad

@jbc.. I think you underestimate children's fascination to learn when it is made fun.. Obviously as we are learning now and is being forced across our faces and down our throats -- maybe society will need to re-adjust it's priorities. Online classes might be in the evenings or a parent would be home with them. As we were told this last spring.. School is NOT a day-care .. Maybe the money we pay schools now could be used to pay a portion of day-cares.. Society will work the details out.

A lot of people agree that the results from this spring were catastrophic but MOST of that was a result of NO planning, No direction, and a Governor that said it didn't matter if the kids did their work or not their grade could not be lowered..

With the rest of the "social skills".. Just think of what could be done if we used the BILLIONS of dollars that go to schools now -- For Social programs such as bike trails, parks and recreations, day-cares, sports programs, gyms and swimming areas.

So where you see problems that closing school districts and going Online -- I see solutions and opportunities..

JohnQPublic

And typically the #1 employer in rural counties is . . . school districts <>

opinionscrossroad

@cheb.. I REALLY don't want to argue with you.. I'm just not in the mood..

But YES I think online courses are JUST as effective, if not better, than "live classes".. But it always depends on the course and who designed that course.. As with any design from automobiles to spacecraft to education curriculum, if it is poorly designed and people struggle with it then it will be mediocre or even a failure.

Since I am not positive who you are, maybe your expertise is not in designing online and hybrid curriculums.. But if you do have any questions MAYBE you should ask Dr. Tyler Wallace for some advise.. He is not only highly respected for his ability to put together a department and program but he is admired and highly sought after by students alike because of how he puts his classes together. NOBODY says his classes are easy but everyone likes how he runs them with videos, peer reviews, online instructions, etc etc.. If I was going to elect ANY professor to design an online program it would be his.. (in fact he has designed and implemented a 100% online course hasn't he??) I'd talk to him if you are struggling !!

@the real JohnQPublic

I'd rather see the unions destroyed out of existence and competition in schools (charter schools) happen. Also, drug test all teachers and make them undergo performance evaluations. Universities can have large classrooms (100-300 kids) but for some reason, you can't have a public school classroom with more than 20 kids without some teachers whining about having more money. And yet, college professors are salaried. Interesting how that works.

opinionscrossroad

@trumpus... So what if the #1 employer in Rural areas are schools.. The #1 tax burden is for schools also.. So maybe the social shift will be from schools being #1 will become something else like computer techs.. 100 years ago 75% of the population derived their income from farm based jobs.. Now it's less than 11% (but that includes food manufacturing which we all know isn't a "friend to the farmers")

What was your point again?? Oh yeah keep higher taxes and a made up artificial need for school districts ..

But we can close down restaurants, clubs, stores (well the ones we don't like), because they are "non-essential" but we keep paying school district employees even when nobody is in class.. VERY STRANGE your priorities..

Cheburashka

You mentioned an instructor who teaches math at Big Bend, and for whom I have great respect. The entire BBCC curriculum in math is essentially online, supplemented by live lectures and, in some cases, recorded lectures. I don't think you'd find a curriculum better suited to online instruction than math. Many other curricula don't fit in with online teaching nearly as well. I teach a variety of classes, among them, interpersonal communications. Care to explain how one can teach interpersonal communications online? Or Drama? Or Ceramics? Or Nursing? You're generalizing about the curriculum and your generalizations just don't fit my experience.

opinionscrossroad

@cheb.. I can take ANY class you name and most all "non-lab" (even including some lab work) not only a working solution but a BETTER solution using computers..

CMST210.. If we can have satellites and drones measure the pixels of plants to gauge plant health we can have a computer watch our movements and measure facial expressions, hand movement, face movement, eye movement (that might be interesting with guys), speech loudness, mouth positioning, and body positioning.. Run those through algorithms and YES I GUARANTEE I can not only duplicate a class but BEAT a classes performance using a computer..

Not to mention the technology I mention is actually fairly old. Stores and advanced law enforcement have been testing and using that technology to measure behavior for YEARS..

IllogicalConclusions

Its not that people view this as the biggest problem since the creation of the earth - its that pandemics in our time have not typically gotten out of hand like this one has. We've never stayed home on 'lockdown' before; and we've never seen the numbers of people die like this before. (I know, older people obviously are not something you care about. But, I love my grandparents and older clients.)

I've seen people talk about this virus as if its just another version of the flu. Obviously, it is a lot more dangerous than the flu (look it up in some other place than an extremist right-wing conspiracy theory) - but, I'm guessing people who refuse to see that are just used to arguing the opposite of whatever is actually going on. Especially Trump supporters. You're quite the group of obstinate know-it-alls; and you've been just about as unhelpful as you can possibly be during these volatile times. (Which, would not be nearly so volatile if it wasn't for you. Thanks for that.)

You don't like masks? Too bad. Its similar to wearing seat belts. Its the law now, but it wasn't always - remember that? I remember being angry about those laws passing because it should be MY CHOICE whether or not I want to 'protect' my own body with a seat belt. I didn't need a babysitter! But, now wearing one is habit. Am I safer? I guess so, whether I like it or not, ha!

The difference with face masks is that you are partially RIGHT - they will NOT protect you hardly at all. But, since most people are unaware that they are infecting others - masks are for everyone else you walk close to, sit beside or go shopping in the same building with. It is your 'breathing plumes/droplets' that it inhibits from reaching the people around you.

We wear our masks for YOU; while you wear your mask for US. Its that simple. Are we safe this way? Not entirely, and depending on the crowded conditions - hardly at all - this is where social distancing is helpful. But, it CAN help keep your germs to yourself - which is what surgical masks were originally designed to help with.

Wear your masks and stop whining and carrying on like a bunch of snowflakes. I know my customers feel more comfortable when I come over to clean their homes, and I wear one the entire time - again, for them, not for me.

justbecool

Those damned Trump supporters, this is all their fault.

Desert Dweller

https://www.newsmax.com/drdavidsamadi/Hydroxychloroquine/2020/07/06/id/975875/

See if ya all can read.

Then sort out the politics.

Cheburashka

Yes I can read. And I can interpret data. The study looks good on the surface, but if the look at Table 1, you'll see that the median age of those who received no treatment was five years older than the median age of the HCQ or AZM group, and six years older than the median age of the group that received the combined regimen. The SD for the first group was also between 1.5 and 3.3 points higher than the SD for the other groups. This means that there was a strong correlation between advanced age, and the choice to provide neither regimen. The IQR-based median is the most damning evidence of age as a mitigating factor in this study. The group that received no treatment had an IQR-based median of 71. HCQ alone? Fifty-Freaking-Three!!!! So the IQR-based median shows a deviation of 18 points. For AZM alone the median was 64, and for both regimens the median was 62. Do you see the correlation? It's staring you in the face. The higher the median age, the larger the number of deaths! It's a perfect correlation. So yeah, I can read. Does that help you sort out the politics?

Cheburashka

Also, did you read the appendices under "conflict of interest"? "S.H. received speakers’ bureau honoraria from Bayer. I.B. received speakers’ bureau honoraria from Gilead, ViiV, and Jansssen, M.Z received consultation honoraria from contrafact. All others have no conflicts of interests." So three out of four authors are shills for the pharmaceutical industry.

Desert Dweller

You would interpret the cheapest solution that is readily available in quantities sufficient to help Millions, as being promoted by pharmacy reps with bad intent.

Keep the liberal bent on, stay true to your delusions.

Cheburashka

"Solution?" Did you miss the part where I demonstrated that the study you referred to has a methodology so flawed that it could only have come from researchers more interested in political loyalty than in curing illnesses. Maybe you would like to point out the flaws in my critique of the study.

Desert Dweller

It's common knowledge that more elderly die from this than younger people.

I can see the political loyalties without any trouble

Desert Dweller

So you weren't aware that it was more deadly to the elderly?

That's a good study and you don't like it.

Cheburashka

One more and I'm done. The study you cited said people were surviving because they took HCQ. The data shows that the ones who took HCQ were younger than the ones who didn't. So claiming that it was the HCQ that kept them alive makes less sense than claiming that they survived because they were younger.

Desert Dweller

You were done before this started.

I read that study again,

You just don't like it because it disagrees with your viewpoint.

Cheburashka

So you're OK with the fact that completely different types of patient received these different treatments? I think you just like this study because you agree with what it says. Do you even have the chops to criticique the methodology? I don't think so.

JohnQPublic

Please do not offer up "Newsmax" as a credible source for science reporting and expect anyone to take you (or them) seriously. Right-wing disinformation isn't appropriate for dealing with a serious public health issue.

justbecool

You’re right. We should be hanging on every word Don Lemon and Brian Stelter have to say about this very serious health issue. Maybe being in Wolf Blitzer for some dynamite fear mongering to jump start your day. Pretty ballsy suggesting “right wing disinformation” runs rampant in an era where the worst kept secret is the lefts blatant media bias.

Desert Dweller

https://news.yahoo.com/plasma-shot-could-prevent-coronavirus-130023057.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/convalescent-plasma-therapy/about/pac-20486440

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/donate-covid-19-plasma

We are being herded

Cheburashka

From the article: "However, [Fauci] said, scientists should first demonstrate that the coronavirus antibodies that are currently delivered to patients intravenously in hospital wards across the country actually work. 'Once you show the efficacy, then the obvious next step is to convert it into an intramuscular' shot." So what you're suggesting is that we inject plasma from other people into our bodies on the off-chance that it "might" work, even though there are currently only two scientists who support this theory. Thalidomide much? How about Hydrochloroquinine or bleach gargles--both things that "might' work, but could also kill you. We're being "shepherded." People who know what they are doing are making responsible decisions to ensure that things we do to prevent Covid don't create even greater harm--and that they actually work to prevent Covid.

But scientists who question the delay argue that the immunity shots are easy to scale up and should enter clinical trials immediately. They say that until there’s a vaccine, the shots offer the only plausible method for preventing potentially millions of infections at a critical moment in the pandemic."

Desert Dweller

Yep you keep wearing that 60% effective mask and charge ahead.

Wouldn't want to actually work toward something effective.

Cheburashka

I will. And you keep working toward having fluids from a sick person's body injected into yours with no testing to see if it does any good. Wouldn't want to actually risk getting better when you can do something that will probably make it worse.

Desert Dweller

Antibody therapy has been around for decades. Used against hepatitis A for one.

Cheburashka

But the standard remedy for Hep A is a.vaccine.

Desert Dweller

That's only if you aren't infected

Cheburashka

And Hep is a different disease. Should we just start pumping plasma in anyone who gets sick on the off chance that it might work? You know what else might work? MMMMMMAAAAAASSSSKKKKSSSSS!!!

guest6

TRUMP HAS MADE AMERICA GREAT BY LEADING THE WIRLD IN CARONA VIRUS LOL CONGRATULATIONS 🤠 please alllll Republicans go to Texas and Florida without a mask lol 1 thing about it tgere will be less REPUBLICAN VOTERS LOLOL

justbecool

There he is. Brilliance in its truest form!

justbecool

This side of the pool might be a little deep for you, Chief. Best head back to the shallow end.

guest6

Lol🖕Ass you follow the carona virus in chief off the cliff . Go mask less and see 🤠

justbecool

The juxtaposition of following Trump anywhere, than living in a world where people like you have power makes jumping off a Cliff seem rather enticing.

Cheburashka

Dude. What's your goal here? The cons are all making fun of you, and the libs are wishing you'd just stop. Are you just bored?

@the real JohnQPublic

I think she's an 'independent' voter. The worst of all because they can't make up their mind or are too cowardly to make a stand.

lololololol funny right? lolol

justbecool

Nothing wrong with being an independent voter, and there’s nothing cowardly about it. Cowardice is blindly following something because it’s trendy, without knowing why you follow it. There have been good Republicans and bad. Good Democrats and bad. I would’ve voted for anyone other than Mitt Romney. Ideals and principle over party.

justbecool

Dan Crenshaw 2024

@the real JohnQPublic

If you think that a president is responsible for your actions, that's exactly the snowflake way of thinking. The president is responsible for my unhappiness, failure, poor spelling, and whatever else is wrong. But hopefully, just hopefully, a liberal in the white house will cure my retardation. Sound about right?

Desert Dweller

There is a lot of noise on the internet about plasma antibody injections and IV infusions but apparently there isn't enough money in it to get the pharmaceutical companies to get behind it and the government doesn't want to bankroll it.

Now I don't know if this is true or not but somehow I think there is a lot of information being withheld for a political purpose.

Just like the Hydroxychloroquine deal that probably cost lots of lives but you don't hear the MSM reporting about it.

We are being herded.

Ever read Atlas Shrugged?

Cheburashka

What do yo mean by "the hydroxychloroquinine deal?" How did Trump's belief in the effectiveness of a treatment that was not yet tested, and which is currently only being used by "true believers," cost lives? It's been reported on in detail, mostly because it was a dumpster fire.

JohnQPublic

Well you got the "noise on the internet" part correct . . . everything else is Basin Batbleep.

justbecool

Ah, the fresh smell of Basin Batbleep. Smells kind of like freedom.

@the real JohnQPublic

Who said it was a hoax? The tinfoil hat crowd? I never said it was a hoax. I do however, refuse to live my life in fear knowing that God's got my back.

Carlo's

The truth is always scary to liberals, socialists and communists!

Cheburashka

And Trump-style conservatives are not scared by the truth because they simply invent one that benefits them financially.

justbecool

Where’d our boy guest6 go? I could have fun with that guy all night.

@the real JohnQPublic

recess was over and she had to get back to coloring and eating paste.

GeorgeWa

Democrats and Communists know this: This back and forth dialogue here is guaranteed to end up in the streets. When this happens we will MAGA !

Cheburashka

So how come none of the conservatives call this guy out? He's kinda scary.

justbecool

You just did.

Cheburashka

Right, but he's "one of yours." Seems like we pick sides instead of assessing the validity of arguments.

justbecool

Indeed. Tensions are high in this political climate, and cooler heads must prevail. I chalk most of these threats on here up to people acting tough from the safety of their own bedroom. Nothing really to see here. Some guy posted earlier the only good Republican is a dead one. I actually got a chuckle out of it, it was so sad. I agree with you Cheb, we have been picking sides. Just know that some of the things said from guys on “my side” have had me shaking my head, as I’m sure some of the things Ive said had them shaking theirs.

@the real JohnQPublic

I haven't threatened anyone, and I still disagree with a lot of people. Just because you can't agree doesn't not mean you automatically jump to violence. I think you'd only do that when you don't get your way, like a whiny POS.

I assess arguments from people based on who is on my side.

darling

kinda is right

@the real JohnQPublic

Having a different opinion from onesself doesn't make one scary. Haven't we already gone over this, Sir?

Telma@

Many are being brought in from other areas such as Yakama and the Tri Cities due to over loads of their system. This is not a hoax but I wonder if wearing a mask gives a person a false sense of security. Imyself the health department in each county should make the call to close down business and public gatherings due to health situations, not the Gov. What does he know about Chelan, Douglas or Grant county?

Desert Dweller

Let's all wear masks and social distance and close the schools and shut down the economy and see how long before the power goes off and they quit picking up the garbage and repairing the roads and delivering the mail.

Yay!

Cheburashka

How does the current mask requirement prevent folks from completing tasks in infrastructure? Can't you pave a road with a mask on? How does.it prevent the operation of power plants?

Land of the Free?

Nurse, perhaps you can explain this:

According to the Washington State Department of Health Covid 19 Dashboard, https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/NovelCoronavirusOutbreak2020COVID19/DataDashboard, there have been a total of 5 hospitalizations for Covid 19 patients in Chelan county in July. Add one more to get the total since June 1st.

There were 15 hospitalizations from March through May. They have had 7 total deaths. One in July and the others in the spring.

Nurse, how does this data show that things are worse now?

Folks, the mainstream news including ifiberone (with the occasional exception of FOX) will never allow you to hear from the many heroic nurses and doctors who have put there careers on the line to puncture the official narrative and offer there insights on this plandemic. We are waking up. Gates and company have spelled out their plans for us very clearly and anyone who is ignorant of this fact has absolutely no interest understanding reality. Go back to sucking your thumbs. This won't hurt a bit.

Cheburashka

I find it interesting that when it comes to government statistics, people on the right tend to discount what the government says and privilege what they hear from individuals except in cases like this, where that runs contrary to the narrative they're supporting. Are those government figures accurate? Probably. Note, though, that they refer only to hospitalizations, not to emergency room visits, in-patient treatments, etc. People can be treated for Covid without hospitalization. There are breathing treatments that can be administered without the need for full hospital stays. So yes, perhaps those numbers are accurate, AND the nurse is telling the truth. As far as the Gates conspiracy, can someone explain it without just dropping the name? Are people really implying that Bill Gates was involved in the design and proliferation of this disease as part of some evil left-wing plan?

Land of the Free?

The nurse specifically referred to patients "admitted" into the hospital. I responded to the nurse’s comments. The data I provided directly addresses that. Any critical thinking person understands by now that government statistics involving covid 19 are going to be inflated, probably to a large extent (Dr. Birx even said they are being "very liberal" with their classifications, and the CDC wants presumed cases, etc. identified as covid), but even with these inflated numbers, we can still plainly see that we are living through the Great Overreaction.

If you still need someone to explain Gates to you then you really don’t care to know. Gates (and Fauci) have stated clearly often enough that for life to return to any kind of normal we will need to be vaccinated and then we'll have to prove our servitude in the form of some type of digital ID or digital tattoo (probably administered via vaccine eventually). They were saying this back in March! If you think they just pulled this out of their behinds, then I really can’t help you. If you are not bothering to take a long, hard look behind the scenes at these mouth pieces for Big Pharma (Gates is also very keen on depopulation) then so be it. We are experiencing forced compliance and it will just continue to get worse step by step until we the people hold our ground and refuse to comply any longer.

Here’s an interesting article on a mandatory vaccination plan prepared recently by Stanford University’s Legal and Medical Authorities. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/bill-sardi/forced-vaccination-plan-unveiled/

Del Bigtree’s weekly show is always worth a listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4zXB4xxMQ

Cheburashka

Not sure what she means by "admitted" but I believe what she says. I've hard similar things from others in the field. I understand the point about Gates and vaccines, but when you start getting into the digital IDs, you lose me. That's a fringe theory, and it seems to have been spread with no real evidence.

Land of the Free?

Whenever Gates speaks about a vaccine for Covid he always mentions the importance of some type of digital ID/digital tatoo which would allow people to prove that they have been vaccinated and thus enable them to return to their "new" normal lives. Many millions will never submit!

Cheburashka

I don't think that's true. I mean, definitely not "whenever," because I've looked at transcripts where he didn't. Could you link to a transcript where he mentions this? You could be right, but I couldn't find any mention of it.

Cheburashka

I watched the first video, and despite the fact that the title mentioned digital certificates, and the video had "digital certificates" flashing on the screen, Gates never once mentioned digital certificates. He said that people would need some kind of certificate to show that they had been vaccinated. Are any of the others any better? It's a pretty big jump to get from "some kind of certificate" to the forcible insertion of microchips. It might seem a little creepy to talk about a level of surveillance where people will need to show that they have been vaccinated before they can travel, but if you have ever traveled internationally, you will probably know that this is fairly normal. I've had to show proof of vaccination on several international trips. Can you show me a link to Bill Gates discussing digital certificates?

Land of the Free?

Here's Gates speaking about digital certificates (start at 1:18).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFPUmYiFo7o

https://www.facebook.com/notes/matthew-m-cameron/bill-gates-coronavirus-means-we-need-digital-certificates-to-prove-who-received-/1065629257139425/

The above link discusses the following Gates' Reddit comment: “Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it.”

Here's the Reddit link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/fkupg49/

Land of the Free?

For some reason when I posted this about an hour ago it didn't appear. I'll try it again.

Here's a Gates video where he refers to a digital certificate starting at 1:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFPUmYiFo7o

Gates said the following on Reddit: “Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it,” said Gates.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/matthew-m-cameron/bill-gates-coronavirus-means-we-need-digital-certificates-to-prove-who-received-/1065629257139425/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/fkupg49/

darling

intelligent comeback

Cheburashka

I did finally find the reference. Gates discusses a Digital Certificate that can be accessed via computer. Nothing about a tattoo or microchip. Just a digital (that is, accessible on computer like the rest of your medical records are now) certificate (document which "certifies" that someone has a particular characteristic, like a diploma or marriage certificate.) In a completely different discussion, he talks about tattoos for third-world counties which could verify vaccination of people without a digital footprint. I believe it's to prevent over-vaccination. It was never discussed as something trackable, or something for folks with digital medical records. The whole conspiracy theory is so outrageous that it wouldn't seem to have been arrived at naturally. Much of this kind of thing comes from Russian bots. And no,. that's not a conspiracy theory. Russian bots sowing discord is a well-documented part of modern American politics.

Land of the Free?

You are confusing the issue. The point I’m making is that Gates is pushing a certificate system where without the proof of being vaccinated your life is very much restricted. I’m not clinging to the word “digital”. This is not the same as making the free choice to get a yellow fever vaccination in order to travel to some developing tropical country. Gates is informing us that without a certificate, our freedom of movement is going to be severely curtailed. We will no longer be a free people. Nothing conspiratorial about this. Only fools and slaves will line up and follow him.

Gates: “eventually we’ll have to have certificates of who’s a recovered person, who’s a vaccinated person”, “you don’t want to completely block off the ability for people to go there, and come back and move around.”

This is the World Economic Forum’s script for the Great Reset (50 years in the making). Check out their website. It’s a highly intricate monstrosity.

Cheburashka

I'm not the one "confusing the issue." Your earlier quote was: "...prove our servitude in the form of some type of digital ID or digital tattoo (probably administered via vaccine eventually)." Now, you're discussing a digital vaccine record that is used to determine whether a person can travel. They are very different things. My CAT has a digital vaccine record that determines whether she can travel to certain places. Now, if we strip away the incendiary rhetoric about tattoos, what we have is one man, advocating for increased safety by blocking certain people access to places where their presence would be dangerous. We do that all of the time. Trump has been blocking people from entering the US based on their religion. We have "no fly" databases that determine who is a threat. The big question--and it's at the center of what we discuss here on IFiber--is whether we can curtail the rights of an individual (specifically, a US citizen) in the interest of making everyone else safer. So rather than a frightening conspiracy (not saying you see it this way, but many do bring up the specter of Gates/Fauci/Soros as some sort of clandestine cabal determined to indoctrinate all of America) we have a single, well-heeled liberal voicing his opinion that we need to curtail individual rights for the safety of all of us--which is technically a conservative position. Gates can blow smoke about this all day long, but does he have the power to implement it? He has the power of the purse, as do the Koch Brothers and many of those who support Trump, but at the end of the day he's a computer geek with a big mouth who has taken a particular stance that is technically conservative, but is followed by most Democrats. I read the entire transcript of that Ted Talk. It's fascinating, and really not very controversial. In modern America it's business as usual. And I support what he says. Calling me a fool or a slave for supporting these causes? I'm neither. Just someone with a different political perspective.

JohnQPublic

But OF COURSE it’s a “plandemic.” The plan was set in motion the day Moscow Mitch announced that the GOP was going to rig the Senate trial of DJ Trump.

Refusal of alt-right fascists to do their constitutional duty results in the punishment of alt-right fascists. The social democracy is well-insulated from the virus’ effect, working from home, wearing masks, etc. As it comprises over three-quarters of the US GDP, the social democracy can easily withstand a temporary punitive “national strike.”

The agrarians and small businesses that comprise irrelevant scraps of economic contribution are to be cleaned out, for they elected and supported those who violated our sacred constitution. The punishment is well deserved. Fascists have had ample opportunity to alter their backward ways. Or, as Basin rubes call it, their “way of life.”

It is American Manifest Destiny -- the very set of beliefs that created a place for today’s fascists to populate -- that dictates that People with Backward, Primitive Beliefs are to Be Removed and Replaced. It is God’s plan for spreading the virtue of democratic American institutions, and there’s a Reservation in Alaska waiting for God’s plan to be fulfilled.

The plandemic, like the small-pox blankets distributed to backward people before, ingeniously *uses* the ignorance of fascists to infect them. The ignorance of not-masking helps identify the backward for later removal. Don’t kid yourself - the social technocracy has facial ID and tracks everything we do online -- and our gun registrations. Thing is, ammo isn’t very nourishing. Modern warfare is economic warfare.

OH, is this a pile of BS? Then just quit pretending. Social democracies with nationalized healthcare are back to work and suffered half the unemployment we did when they locked down. Backward fascism’s refusal to recognize our strength as a country -- to use *what works* to win when we need to -- is the root of our problem.

justbecool

Boy, I got a headache trying to read and digest all that. This basin rubes takeaway is that you don’t have the slightest idea of what fascism is. What did the “alt right fascists” not do in their constitutional duty? Please cite some examples. Did I understand this correctly, that you stated that agrarians and small businesses provide Irrelevant scraps to the economy? So, the food the farmers grow for us to eat, and places of commerce that make up rural towns, are insignificant? Explain how the constitution was violated. Go....

JohnQPublic

Plead ignorance and then say, "enlighten me?" Not my job, but if my screed gave you some thoughts to ponder, by all means pursue them. Hint: Farming contributes merely 1% of US GDP (look it up), and half of that is socialist Ag subsidies . . . like the Columbia Basin Irrigation Project (ahem).

Rural commerce (and the middle class of merchants) was destroyed long ago by Walmart and other large-scale corporations. Ever consider how much money a Walmart *extracts* from a rural economy, shipping that hard-won money off to some off-shore bank account? Heck, they don't even *stock* the store with anything produced from the community the store infests.

And there's your clue (as if you can comprehend a clue). Capitalist fascism is authoritarian and seeks monopoly -- it is by nature *not* free-market. Its existence derives from US history -- this country was founded in revolt from British capitalist fascism and monopoly. Just like the corporations that bleed rural America. Social democracy seeks to protect people from large-scale corporate predation -- yet the rubes are duped into calling it "communism."

After the Revolution there *was* a contingent in the US that preferred the tradition of capitalist fascism, and it controlled the US government using the electoral college (and slaves counting as votes) up until the formation of the Republican party, whereupon it formed a Confederacy and started a Civil War. The capitalist fascists lost, and American Social Democracy won. Because of economic superiority.

It’s incumbent upon us to remember that capitalist fascism is never “oppressed.” Its nature is to be the oppressor. It continues to exist solely because of propaganda, the electoral college, and suppression of those non-white votes democracy gained after the Civil War. It elects authoritarian, capitalist-fascist representatives in government.

Boo-hoo, except for this: Communism is authoritarian socialism. We determined that capitalist-fascism, which rose in popularity after seeing what Nazi Germany did to the commies, was *a better method* than social-democractic capitalism for stopping communism. Hooray, we won -- the authoritarian commies in Russia and China just switched over to capitalist-fascism.

Communism is dead, and it ain't coming back. The question today is, will fascism yield to Democracy, now that its purpose has been served? Or will it continue to be a “necessary evil” to compete with other capitalist-fascist societies?

The answer comes from capitalism itself. Social-democratic capitalism won the Civil War because Liberty promotes free markets. Capitalist fascism does not — it promotes authoritarianism, ossification and monopolies.

So, in a capitalist economic war, which methodology gives us the best chance of winning? The Union’s Social Democracy or the Confederacy’s Capitalist Fascism? That’s the beauty of the US. We have the option of drawing from whatever works best to WIN.

Like starving out the Confederacy. Or, you could just join the Union and quit trying to be like China and Russia.

justbecool

Now that was a well thought out and executed response. Laid out your argument, cited plenty of examples, included a not so brief history lesson, all which I found entertaining. None of that answer however, answered my question about how the “alt right fascists” didn’t do their constitutional duty, and somehow violated the constitution that you alluded to in your first statement.

JohnQPublic

This comment section is reserved for lunatic rants, JB, not actual rational discourse. I stand by the lunacy of my Manifest Destiny rant. Here in Ifiberworld, *anything* can be unconstitutional. As evidenced by the "unconstitutionalism" of asking people to wear a mask in public.

Wrango

It's not a hoax but it's way over-blown. Kills the same kind of people the regular flu does but it spreads faster. If the flue didn't kill you last year, this won't either.

Cheburashka

I get your point, but you're wrong about a number of things. First, there is a flu vaccine, so many people are less threatened by the flu than by Covid. Second, the number of deaths per infection for Covid is much higher than it is for flu. I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but it's not correct.

Wrango

I guess you really didn't read my post before you countered it did you? Kills the same kind of people and spreads faster. And of course there's no vaccine. Now what? You got some sage advice for me now? You're a troll.

Cheburashka

Guess you didn't read mine. If you're in the high risk group, you can avoid the flu by getting a vaccine. You can't do the same with Covid. So if the flu didn't kill you last year because you got inoculated, does.that mean you're safe from Covid? Nope. And.you seem to be implying that Covid is a "kind of flu," which it isn't.

Carlo's

The nursed and doctors I know are very conservative and totally dedicated to their profession. Thanks to all of them for their help and dedication to our health.

guest6

Lol You can tell a REPUBLIKLAN A MILE AWAY , they are the unmasked . Considering I’m a liberal this works because they “the unmasked “ will alllllllllll be dead and a BIG BLUE WAVE TAKES THE COMMON SENSE FOLKS INTO THE WHITE HOUSE ! Alll you trump idiots continue to not wear a mask urs better for America that you don’t LOLOL trump voters easily manipulated and brainwashed! Lololol big blue WAVE 🤠

justbecool

Yeah, we could’ve guessed you were a liberal the second we read the unmasked will “alllllll be dead”. Looks like you’re the one that is brainwashed if you believe that. Hilarious that you put being liberal and common sense in the same sentence. Big blue wave of port-o-potty water, maybe.

guest6

TRUMP DID MAKE AMERICA GREAT , WE ARE SADLY THE BEST AT CARONA VIRUS LOL YOU FOOLS LOL the klan I mean republican are gonna die I hope like the fat orange trouser trout you follow off cliff ,,

justbecool

I believe it was Socrates who quipped “when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.” You seem like you might need to read up on who Socrates is, but he was a pretty enlightened guy. Oh, and while you’re reading, check out the party of the KKK, you might be surprised to see they originated with affluent, white guys. Cheers bro, knowledge is power!

justbecool

Affluent, white Dems, that is.

Cheburashka

@justbecool: That "party of the KKK" argument keeps coming up, but do you really believe that the Modern Democratic party embraces the same values as the Democratic Party of 1870? There has been a lot written on it, most of which points out that there was a flip in the perspective of the Democratic Party from conservative to liberal. The "party of the KKK" argument makes for a nice sound bite, but you'd be hard pressed to find a historian who would argue that modern Democrats resemble the Democrats who founded the KKK, or a modern Democrat who embraces the values of the KKK.

Cheburashka

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-democratic-party-did-not-found-kkk-start-civil-war/3253803001/ explains it pretty well. The Democratic Party was fractured at the time, and one faction within the Party started the KKK. I'm sure that if I dug around, I could find some scary things started by people associated with the Republican Party too.

justbecool

Cheb, I by no means was implying the Dems are the party of the KKK, nor would I have even gone there if it weren’t in response to this dude insinuating Republicans are clan members. I was giving him a brief history lesson on the KKK’s origin. I don’t think the modern Democratic Party embraces the same values of the Democratic Party of 2015.

Cheburashka

I get it. I think we all go ad hominem when someone goes that way with us. I do it too.

@the real JohnQPublic

I can find articles that say the Dems created the KKK and the Dems did not create the KKK. It was Lincoln who freed the slaves. Like it or not, he was a Republican.

Either way, it's an interesting milestone in history. I wasn't a slave owner, no one who was a slave is still alive. Ergo, if you want to adopt the mantle of past transgressions and live in that mindset, go for it. Or, you can move on with life and enjoy the fact that you can try, fail, succeed, and make as much money as Jeff Bezos in this great nation if you have a good idea and are willing to put money above all else.

Wrango

Lol! Delusional much?

@the real JohnQPublic

MAGA to you there, motel 6

guest6

Only good republican is a dead 1 🤠 now fuck you and please keep not wearing a mask sheep lol trump is best at getting the whole Caron’s we lead the world lol congratulations monkey fuck lol

justbecool

You seem like a smart guy, we better listen to what you have to say...

@the real JohnQPublic

Some little girl got her feelings hurt. I think there's a safe space at your college where you can go into your crying room and beat up a stuffed animal. Or, you can decide that being an adult is a real eventuality and comport yourself accordingly. Your call.

@the real JohnQPublic

I guess they don't teach spelling and sentence structure at your preschool, eh?

Telma@

Why dose the left alway act like they are so superior?...Go live in King County with the rest of Pseudo Intellectuals.

USEYOURHEAD

Are you okay? Did someone bully you too hard in your childhood? Do you need a hug? Just curious :)

JohnQPublic

Bring on the desperate kooks! Just get used to the fact that your precious King Cheetoh is baked. They're tastier that way. Ask the kids.

Varminter

Aren't almost all health care people liberal? The covid train is just meant to kill the awesome economy that Trump has built!

Cheburashka

I've never heard that. What makes you think that's true?

Getrealman

Yeah its all a hoax, everyone is making up. Especially the nurses. Doctors, scientists, and Dr. Evil himself Inslee.....see I can jump on the Crazy train too....im getting it now. If I just act like it doesnt exist and blame others and call them all liars we can open up the swimming pools again!

When I wake up on Saturday it will all be over

justbecool

No one is calling it a hoax. People are pointing out this isn’t the boogey man plague the media is making it out to be. Notice she didn’t say they were overwhelmed and people were dying.

justbecool

*overrun rather, not overwhelmed

cryingtoddlerlibs

My sister is a nurse at the Wenatchee clinic and they are laying people off due to the lack of pacients...hmmm weird...oh and wash your hands,wear your seat belt, dont play in the street, dont eat yellow snow, dont beat your kids...guess that's about it jenny

Cheburashka

There are many different kinds of nurses. What is the specialization of the ones being laid off?

@the real JohnQPublic

You can beat your kids, you just have to use an open hand.

KTD_1987

The only reason a nurse would be laid off during this time is if they are not working in a critically needed area or specialty. She may be offered to transfer to another department to help out during this time. When things get back to a new level of normal, all non essential appointments will resume and she will be back at work if not sooner.

Has she asked to do something different during this time?

Sagacious Lu

And masks, along with social distancing, slow transmission to the point where the cases are manageable. Herd immunity? Not likely if the antibodies last 60-90 days, max.

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