plastic bags

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — The Washington Senate has once again approved a measure to ban single-use plastic bags.

The chamber voted 30-19 Wednesday to re-pass the measure it first passed during last year’s legislative session. The bill now heads to the House, where it stalled last year.

The bill would ban stores from giving out single-use plastic carryout bags and require an 8-cent charge for other bags handed out.

Beyond banning single-use plastic bags, the bill would require recycled paper bags to have at least 40 percent recycled material.

Some disposable plastic bags used inside stores would be exempt from the ban, including bags for fruits, vegetables, bulk foods, and meats, and loose bulk items like screws.

The Senate on Wednesday also passed a bill they first approved last year that would adopt California’s emission rules for vehicles in Washington.

Lawmakers voted 26-23 in favor of the measure, sending it to the state House.

Under the bill, the state would adopt a system where car manufacturers are assigned credits based on the kind and fuel efficiency of cars they bring into the state.

Those credits would then be used to set a quota for how many zero-emissions vehicles the company would be required to import into the state, and to have the quota automatically adjust based on whether the majority of the cars they imported were more-efficient small hybrids or larger, more gas-hungry vehicles.

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Wrango

It all boils down to money. The manufacturer tells us that plastic will save the forests. After nearly 40 years of plastic in our landfills, the same people that told us that plastic would save the forests is now telling us that plastic is killing the planet. Who's fault is it? Yours. So who has to pay for it? You. Just like thin plastic containers of food products and aluminum cans. Do you know why the manufacturers use thin plastic and aluminum containers to ship your product in? Because they weigh less, take up less room and boost the manufacturer's profits. Then when all the newfangled containers are proven to be harmful to the environment, guess who does the work and has to spend money to clean it up. The manufacturer? Nope! YOU! And who do you think petitions the govt. to draft laws, requirements and penalties for citizens to make sure they clean up after the manufacturers put all that money in the bank. Yep, the manufacturers! It's time to start making the people responsible for the mess that's been made responsible for the cleanup!!

Eastside

Well said Wrango!!!

Desert Dweller

It's a liberal thing, if your feelings get hurt or your argument is too weak, blame the winner of the argument and declare victory by erasing their comments.

Cheburashka

And the conservative thing is to insist that everyone obey the rules, except conservatives. The terms of use are very clear. Making fun of someone's handle is not appropriate behavior. An easy way to keep your post from being deleted is to not violate the terms of use.

opinionscrossroad

LOL.. I think you are making this up as you go.. Where did you find the terms of use at?? And you are telling me that it says in IFiberone news terms of use that it is a violation if you make fun of someone's handle?? I have read a lot of terms of use different places have and I have NEVER seen that.. OMG If nothing else you make me laugh.. Maybe someone should change their handle to AbidingCourtJester

Cheburashka

Perhaps you should look up "Terms of Use" on Google. Hint-- the two words "Be nice" figure prominently in them.

Desert Dweller

Of course picking a "User Name" that lends itself to ridicule is a good self defense mechanism for someone who doesn't like to be challenged.

Cheburashka

Yes. That's exactly why I picked it. 🙄

Eastside

And the liberal way is to control everything and everybody, and then tax all!!!!

Cheburashka

Check the Terms of Use. No name-calling. Clever phrases like "Russian Puppet," "Cheburp," or "Chebapoopyhead" will just get your post deleted.

opinionscrossroad

LOL.. Only people who can't stand on their own argument go looking for a way to get a post removed.. Are people so small and weak they can't stand up to criticism?? NVM .. I am dying laughing though as this article is almost off the page..

Cheburashka

LOL. Only people who can't stand on their own argument resort to name calling and purposefully misspelling the names of others. Are people so deluded that they don't know the difference between "criticism" and kindergarten bullying tactics? If you had a point, you would make it without name calling.

opinionscrossroad

LOL.. Even in Kindergarten little kids who run to the teacher all the time because someone called them a name are told to grow a backbone..

Unlike some people -- I have proven my points over and over again.. Some other people do not seem to have that ability.. Instead some people say we need a ban on plastic Grocery bags because they fly hundreds of miles in the wind.. Funny part I find (and most other people) is that my points have NEVER been disputed!!

Cheburashka

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/04/a-shocking-discovery-shows-just-how-far-wind-can-carry-microplastics/ is about microplastics and wind. If you look, you'll find other articles that show that plastic grocery bags are recycled at a very low rate compared to water bottles and so on. But what's the point? You won't read those articles because you would rather believe you're right than know you're wrong.

opinionscrossroad

Someone is trying to compare Rocks to Dust.. MICRO-Plastics as per the article is NOT plastic bags.. It is broken down plastics from all plastic sources and YES Micro-plastics travel hundreds of miles and even THOUSANDS of miles but it comes from every piece of plastic that is broken down.. What does a plastic bag ban have to do with that ?? NOTHING that's what!! That's a plastic issue not a plastic bag issue!!

And yes plastic bags are recycled at very low rates just as ALL plastics are recycled at only 2 to 3 % and no program has changed this fact.. A major problem with recycling plastic is the "dirty" component of plastic which includes papers, glues, food contaminants, and plastic coloring.. So because of this most plastic becomes waste and is thrown into dumps even by municipalities that have "recycling" programs.. The "plastic to oil" technology breaks all plastics back to it's basic molecular components to be utilized again in some way.. Other plastic recyclers are just shredding it into beads of same colors which is why it cannot be contaminated..

So anyone comparing plastic bags or plastic bottles to "micro-plastics" is only trying to distort the truth and confuse the issue.. Again it would be comparing a Rock to Sand that is light enough to blow into the Atmosphere!!

Cheburashka

Plastic bags generate microplastics

So do other plastics. The difference is that plastic bags are far more difficult to recycle so they end up in the environment instead of a recycling center or landfill.

opinionscrossroad

THAT is NOT what you said.. It is not even CLOSE.. This discussion (that you keep deleting segments to) is about plastic grocery bags being banned.. I have pointed out that ALL plastic only 2 to 3% is recycled.. ALL plastic contribute to Micro-plastics.. YOU are changing not only your story around and around but the whole context of the debate.. If you are saying all plastic should be banned because of the downside of "micro-plastics" then make that argument NOT LIE and make Misleading statements like "plastics bags blow hundreds of miles in the wind".. #1 it makes you look like a Liar and #2 It takes away from the real discussion and overall debate.. Should Plastic Grocery Bags be banned or should an overall solution be found instead..

Cheburashka

I've given plenty of very good reasons. Your response tends to be personal attack-- calling me a liar and implying that I chose my handle because I wanted it to be ridiculed. The facts remain. Plastic bags aren't recyclable in household pickup. They are lightweight and have a tendency to blow in the wind, compared to other plastic items. They kill animals. They do a job that can easily be done by items which don't have those disadvantages. And once again, you and I are the only ones still reading this thread. Here's where I can make a change: now, you are the only one still reading it.

opinionscrossroad

When you make an argument based on distorted facts and figures, don't get offended when people call you out on it... When you make statements and then try to change what you said or your story, Yes that is, by definition, what Liars do.. Don't like being called out on lying?? Then do not do it..

Yes, Plastic bags have their disadvantages but every other product to replace them have just as many, if not more, disadvantages also.. That is the point of the discussion.. Fix the problems as a whole.. My Point of view is simple.. If you want items recycled and re-used in this state, then incentify industries that turn the waste back into a re-usable product.

opinionscrossroad

OOHHHH another West Coast law that has no sense in reality.. Sure plastic bags are an issue but are kind of a small percentage of plastic generated. What about the 90 to 94% of other plastic waste that is generated by households??

So this Governor is going to make people use what?? Paper (cutting down more carbon capturing trees and importing more paper products into Washington) or "reusable plastic bags" which studies have shown are more harmful because of the amount of plastic in them and the times you can actually use them before needing replaced NOT to mention they get dirty and need to be washed using chemicals and water resources??

Why does this Brain Governor and Attorney General not implement a statewide incentive program so companies can be guaranteed revenues for companies who want to build a plant in Washington the plastic (all plastic) will be turned back into oil. (youtube it it's pretty cool) ???

instead?? They just want to ban everything and solve nothing..

Cheburashka

People can always come up with an excuse not to make a difference. If we started with water bottle bans, you would complain about that as well. These bags in particular are harmful because they blow in the wind and are ingested by animals. Heavier bags don't do this. I wish people could just be honest and say "I don't really care enough to try to make a difference" instead of trying to rationalize their behavior with whatever invented points that can think of.

opinionscrossroad

What amazes me is how small minded people only focus on the little things.. The United States produces over 35 MILLIONS tons of plastic waste each year.. To put that into perspective it takes 3 water bottles to makes an OUNCE or 8 grocery store bags to make an OUNCE or and 4 Milk jugs to make an OUNCE.. 16 Ounces to make a pound and 2000 Lbs to make a ton.. We are talking about 35 MILLION tons of plastic.. Ok so you ban grocery bags.. What are you going to do with the rest of the plastic that is thrown away each year??

Would it not make more sense to have the government incentify businesses that would turn a large portion of Washington state's plastics back into a usable material?? The technology is there and been proven, however, right now, it is just cheaper to pump free oil from the ground than build a plant with the machines needed to convert the plastic back into oil forms.

Banning plastic bags will not solve anything!! Consumers will either use paper bags which will create another problem as they are bigger, bulkier, and heavier than plastic or utilize the "reusable bags" that are made from 50 times the amount of plastic but are only good for 50 trips.. So again nothing is gained..

Cheburashka is the poster example at how people are only capable to see little things at a time when in reality the issue is more complex than some people can comprehend.. People need to start looking at the big picture of an issue instead of blindly following the little "feel good" patches that politicians and incompetent people want everyone to believe will fix a bigger issue..

Cheburashka

Can a water bottle fly hundreds of miles in the wind? Do marine mammals by the tens of thousands die from eating water bottles? Yes, the issue is complex. Does that mean we shouldn't start trying somewhere to solve it?

opinionscrossroad

Someone needs to show me an instance that a Grocery Bag flew hundreds of miles.. Someone needs to show me that marine life are going to eat a plastic Grocery Bag over other plastic that might be floating in the water.. I have given a solution and that is to incentify a business to build and operate a plastic to oil recycling facility (youtube plastic to oil it's pretty fascinating) But to ban specific items of plastic just because some people think they want to pick and choose how they think other people should live is just plain ridiculous. If you want to solve the problem then solve the problem with a real solution -- NOT be focusing on how a small portion instead of focusing on the big problem and finding a solution to that.. I really wonder if people are so shallow and incompetent they are physically unable to see the problems as a whole and that is why they focus and teach rather meaningless portions of the problem..

Cheburashka

Actually, no. No one has to show it to you. You could just look and think. But people rarely do that when there's a risk that they will be inconvenienced by what they see.

opinionscrossroad

I do look... It's why I show comparisons .. 99% of the time some people only want to see the issues on the most simplistic levels .. usually because it is all they are capable of understanding.. Work on solutions to the true problems and then the little problems work themselves out.. If someone tries to solve a problem with little piece meal solutions and leave the root of the problem unfixed IT WILL NOT FIX it only redirect the problem.. Work on the real problem with a real solution..

In this case work on a place for the plastic to go ALL OF IT... This bag ban only gives politicians a way to tell people they are doing something and validate their time and wages in Olympia while in all reality it has solve little to nothing and only redirected the problem from small plastic bags to Big plastic "reusable" bags and bigger, heavier, and less dense paper bags.. I guess the advantage with paper bags is we can burn them and that would keep them out of the landfills..

Cheburashka

And if Inslee said he was working on a place for all the plastic to go, would you say "Good Job," or would you say "Not with my tax dollars"?

opinionscrossroad

#1 It's how you sell the idea.. Nobody likes the idea of forbidding things that people want and use without a really good and practical reason..

#2 How many people do you know that complain about paying for the disposal of waste items?? Again it's how you sell the idea.

#3 There is very little pushback from any idea that makes logical sense, has a front to back logical plan, and is sold correctly..

So you think if I put out as a politician that Washington state wants to incentify (either through guaranteed earnings or a certain price per ton) that ALL plastics regardless of color, food particles, or grade will be processed through a couple of recycling plants located in Washington and it will add 25 cents to your monthly Garbage bill to dispose of this plastic by turning it back into a usable product and keep it from the landfills, keep it from being burnt, and all you have to do is put ALL plastic into a bin without washing separating and disposing of the caps along with it would keep our natural resources longer in the use.. Yes I do not think people would mind spending a quarter a month if you convinced them that plastics as a whole are being dealt with

JohnQPublic

These must be semi-automatic assault bags. THAT'S why they're dangerous.

Desert Dweller

So our State Government took a look around and decided they want to be just as screwed up as California. Doesn't one failure usually serve as a lesson?

Wow!

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